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Old 07-27-2011, 05:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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i bought my first toyota a few months ago, its a 1991 wagon DX. Now my main experience is with RWD vee ate fords so i know about as much on toyota as a regular 4chan user does.

i was doing some research on it trying to learn stuff about it in hopes of giving it a bit more power for DD use, nothing serious somewhere around the 200HP area so driving isnt such a bore and it would keep me occupied doing all the work. during this research i found alot of inconsistency's, here is a few.

my vin and chassis number is AE94
i cant find any ae94 north american information, its all ae92. its like it doesn't exists here. any information anyone can share on this or confirm that im just stupid and reading stuff wrong?

when i bought my car the owner put in an ebay JDM 4afe, the one that says Toyota 16Valve EFI on the valve cover. again doing some research on that and half of what i find says its a 5afe and the other half says 4afe watsupidat?

what makes the JDM 4afe rev almost a full grand higher than the american one? my wagon didnt come with a tach so i went and bought a 20$ one to make sure it idles right ect ect, when i was testing the tach my tourqe and power curve stoped at like 6300 and fuel shutoff at 6500, thought maybe i installed the tach wrong or something

5th gear pops out under acceleration
from what i can tell thats a common problem with the T50
guy i bought it from said something about a rubber bushing (maybe a slide drum?) or is it the famed detent?

power adders
i know there most likly isnt many of them for the FE seeing as how thats the eco version, anyone able to point me in the direction of some mild performance parts for? Id like to start with fuel system, bigger injectors or a better rail, id check TRD but i heard they are ass rape exspensive. or would i be better off saving that money and buy a GE or a silvertop/blacktop and work from there?


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Old 07-27-2011, 05:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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well i believe ur wagon is still considered a ae92, most of what fits a ae92 sedan or coupe should also fit yours. as far as your engine i think the jdm 4afe and usdm 4afe are the same. 5afe is of a tercel or paseo ( anyone correct me if im wrong ) my 4af revs to 6k, that is the redline on the 4af-e engines as far as i know. 5th gear thing is common, bushing or syncro... now for hp, the 4afe really has no aftermarket support. you can get a header intake and change the headgasket for the 2 layer metal one from the 7afe. other thank that i would save money for a swap. 4age 16v/20v (silver top or black top) or 4agze (supercharged 16v) hope this helps. anyone correct me if im wrong. well happy turning and welcome to toyotanation.
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what kind of heads would be best? saw someone talking about how FE to GE head swaps dont work very well because of different compressions, if the GE is an FE with performance heads couldn't i just start frankensteining stuff from a souped up GE? as for the 5th gear problem if it was the synchro that was broken wouldnt it just try and fall out of gear when i let the clutch out? i can drive in 5th all day im just sick of resting my hand on the stick, honestly im considering getting a new tranny i asked pick n pull and they had some for 107$, unfortunatly when i asked him if he had a T52 all he told me was "it shouldnt make a difference the 1991 tranny will work fine"
"i know it will work fine its the same model year i wanted the next gen the T52"
"yeah the 1991 works too"
"no just. . . . never mind"
for a second i thought i was in autozone


as for the revs i think i see what you mean i might have been reading the torks curve cutoff (5900 on USDM according to wiki with a 6K RL) maybe i didnt connect my tach wire right because that sob will go deep into half past 6K territory, see attached pic
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10727-1810.jpg
i set my redline bar at the power curve cutoff, the redline follows a few hundred after so if what you say is true then i must have done a faulty job with my tach =\

one more question what would be more bang for my buck if i were to say pump up my power a bit with some FI, the blacktop wich has the proper plumbing for a turbo or the 4agze and just keep it at 8lbs so it doesnt eat my gas like a fat black girl eats fried chicken?



EDIT: CLUTCHES! what would be a good clutch? the current one has a good biting point and alot of life left but when i get up on it from a dig first gear is powerful like it should be but the second i up shift from 1 to 2 the clutch sticks for a second and holy hell it feels like a hamster on a spinning wheel is powering my car rather than an engine, i only ask if a better clutch would fix this because of it sticking, i know. . . . its an FE its not meant for BECAUZERACECAR but not even a weak engine as this should have such a horrible powerband

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyot...Q5fAccessories

this is what had me questioning if it was a 4afe or a 5afe

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U can go GE head but u will loose compression do to the pistons and combustion chambers. Way to fix it is using the GE pistons. U would also have to move a few things around and source other parts like water pump and such... intake and exhaust manis too. Would be easier to go full GE. As for the transmission try and find one of a corolla gts (88-92) that's the one that came with the 4age twincam. I believe they bounce back at about 6500 but the " limit " is 6k.

As far as clutch if it feels Slippy and u want more bite use one of a GTE corolla (4age engine) u may have to get the corresponding flywheel. 200 mm I think could be wrong. They make plenty of aftermarket clutches for that engine. Stage 4 unsprung 3 Puck if u want LOL. Best bang for Buck depends. 4agze makes ~ 160hp but good low end torque. A silver top or black top are very high Rev engines. And high compress ratio. Not best for any kind of boost, but make well into the 170-185 HP give or take. A 4agze can be converted to Turbo and run good HP and torque. For DD I'd go for torque.... another way to get torque is to do a 7age. Search that may like it.
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thank you very much you have answered all of my questions =D
holy shit the explanations here are so much more clearer
i tryd to ask /o/ a while back and all i got was "STFU and buy the blacktop FE sucks"

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What lil I know I'm willing to share. Others here sound like surgical masters when it comes to these things. Besides everyone is a noob at the beginning.

Funny what u said. If 4a sucks then the black top sucks too. it is a 4age, just the 20valve 4 generation of the engine.
First Gen - blue top ( big port- intake ports and tvis with 8 runners in manifod. 112 hp)
second gen- red top ( small port- intake port got smaller better velocity and only for runners[ higher comp. Ratio more power.- 130 HP)
Third gen- silver top( 20 valve...5/ piston, vvt and itb's but arm controlled. ~ 160 HP
fourth gen- black top( same as silver but much higher comp. Ratio and map sensor. Also high redline 8500 I think. Around 180 HP)
Then the 4agze- its a 4age 16 valve with good boost ready internals low comp pistons and a supercharger. The engine of choice for Turbo. Stock form 160hp.
had a friend run his to ~250 whp....
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Hell even the 4afe can be made fun talk to flashmn. Tell him and a few others it sucks. His is, was, boosted and autocrossed regularly. I don't know how he did it ( or why LOL ) but he did and it worked.
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Your wagon... is it FWD or an All-Trac / 4WD? Easiest way to tell is by looking at the back end. All-Trac / 4WD wagons have high turn/tail lights, like a Honda CR-V.

Just wondering since your chassis number says AE94. Or is that the chassis number for the FWD wagons and I just didn't know?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_...E90)#section_4

Jump to the part where it talks about the north america chassis codes. The fwd wagon is a ae92 but here called ae94 for the dx. The alltraks sedan or wagon are ae95.

Sry bout the format I was using my phone.
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I just realized according to that my sr 5 is a ae96 and gts' are ae98. Guess no one here in the states has a ae92 LOL. I'm gonna call mine a ae96 and see how many ppl get mad and correct me. Lol
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