10th generation Toyota Corolla

[01FIERA]

I LOVE IT!!! I Will consider it as my next car. My 8.5 gen 2001 S still has about 40k more until she reaches 100k miles. So Until then... (I might even keep her longer) But when the price is right, A new S will come, or XRS depending on cost.

I think its a beautiful car! Looks great!

[05_Echo]

I don't care for it, maybe in person it might look better but as for the pictures I'd have to say NOPE I won't be buying one.

Oh and is it just me or does it look like a Yaris and a Camery had an offspring and they named it a Corolla?

[Destructicon]

Hmmm.... heavier and with less torque. Any damn gear head will tell you its power truley revolves around its torque. More torque = faster pick up and acceleration. HP is all about maintaining that momentum. Which is why I got into a fight with the wifey tomight after seeing the 10 gen specs and keeping our kids safe and sound. Mass does not equal shit if it cannot ge out of the way in time!

[silver04rollas]

Originally Posted by Destructicon

More torque = faster pick up and acceleration. HP is all about maintaining that momentum.

Not ture. Ever wonder why highly-tuned high-revving cars put alot of HP, but so little torque (2ZZ-GE, K20 etc.) at the crank, yet they are much quicker than many cars with substantially more torque?

HP is the measure of work the engine does while torque is the resultant twist generated from the engine. They are correlated and not independent. Granted, weight is the biggest factor that determines how well the power is utilized, the engine HP, torque and total transmission ratio determine how much torque will be generated to the wheels.

In automotive engineering, the equation looks like:

Total wheel torque = Total crank torque x Total transmission ratio (final drive, gear ratios etc.)

The shorter the gearing, the higher the torque will be to the wheels. However, you cannot put very short gearing on a car that puts out no meaningful power after 5000 rpm so it usually ends up with tall gearing in order to keep the revs as much possible in the midrange (around 3500 - 5000 rpm) and relies more on torque generated by engine.

A high-revving engine on the other hand, relies less on crank torque, but more on short gearing and final drive to generate wheel torque since the entire rev-range is so big (around 8000 rpm) where HP and tuning allows for a very flat torque curve that short gearing works to it's advantage.

The downside? With a highly-tuned and high-strung engine with transmission ratio designed for best acceleration using the entire rev range hurts daily drivability.

[Destructicon]

Well no shit sherlock... but I dygress, I'm used to engines putting out 300+ HP and over 430+ TRQ and weighing over 4K curb weight. (trucks) so my calcs may be off, but only an idiot can deny HP/weight ratio.

So your post is muted indefinitely, but thanks for the mechanics lesson.

[Destructicon]

and yes you and i both know there is a huge difference between 3.43 and 4.10 gears at the wheels, were talking about the "big" picture here on the new spec model, not the physics of it all.

[silver04rollas]

^^^^

Sure you can drive anything you like. That is not the point of my post.

My response was focused on one part of your post, which was not true by any stretch of imagination. Take it for whatever it's worth to you. Again, see the bold portion of below:

Originally Posted by Destructicon

More torque = faster pick up and acceleration. HP is all about maintaining that momentum.

[Destructicon]

Granted... and maybe I should have been more clear in my origional response as I was referring to the sepurlative and not necessarily the definative text.

And of course I was drinking at the time! =)

[SuperchargedMR2]

I had to make a comment about the new Corolla. I purchased a new 2009 Corolla S and I think it is a much better model than the 9th generation. There is more interior room, it looks better, it's lower and wider as the previous generation was too tall and narrow. I really like the style of the Corolla S and as I see quite a few of them I'm guessing that others do too!

There are people talking about power and speed for the Corolla. I bought it for a high quality, reliable car to commute. It has enough power for every day driving and I'm getting 37-39 MPG in mixed city/highway driving! Not bad when the EPA rated it 26 city/ 35 highway. If I want to drive faster than I'll drive my sports car, my supercharged MR2 goes plenty fast!

I'm not saying that I wouldn't want a nice high performance Corolla option for people, as I do think the engine choices could improve. I wish my 5-speed was a 6-speed and I bet that would add several more mpg on the highway. I will make some modifications over the years to spice up the car but I do love the quite, smooth ride. The JBL sound system sounds great and the looks of the car are nice. The interior looks much better than the previous generation too.

Take one out for a drive and than put in your two cents!