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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:19:15 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>"joe" <nonspam@invalid.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:25:57 -0500, "Ray O"
>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>>>"joe" <nonspam@invalid.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:46:14 -0500, "Ray O"
>>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>>>>>"joe" <nonspam@invalid.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>> In the past I have used Fix A Flat or similar inflate from a can
>>>>>> products to fix 9 out of 10 flats - and who knows how many I never
>>>>>> knew about.
>>>>>> On the can it says "Do not use on tire sensor technology."
>>>>>> Is this just another Q-tip warning to be ignored or what gives? It
>>>>>> says it is non flammable -so what is the problem with simply leaving
>>>>>> the stuff in the tires forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Fix a Flat and green slime stuff basically work by coating the entire
>>>>>inside
>>>>>of the tire and wheel with stuff that eventually cures to the
>>>>>consistency
>>>>>of
>>>>>rubber. If that stuff coats the sensor, it would keep the sensor for
>>>>>detecting the true air pressure.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I should not use it.
>>>
>>>Not use what? The sensor or the Fix a Flat Stuff? I would only use the
>>>Fix
>>>a Flat or slime stuff if you are in dire straits without a spare tire.
>>>That
>>>stuff is not intended to be a permanent repair.
>>>
>>>What is that sensor?
>>>
>>>The sensor is a device that senses the air pressure in its environment.
>>>
>>>Is it fastened to the
>>>> rim inside the tire?
>>>
>>>There is no rim inside the tire, however, there is a rim on the wheel.
>>>This
>>>link from a tire repair equipment manufacturer shows some examples of how
>>>tire pressure sensors are mounted on wheels:
>>>[url]http://www.hunter.com/pub/undercar/TECHLINK/index.htm[/url]
>>>
>>>
>>>What happens when one fixes the tire with either
>>>> a plug or patch on the inside?
>>>
>>>If the tire is fixed correctly, air stops leaking out the hole.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I need the ability to fix flats more that the this sensor
>>>> technology. What would I be giving up?
>>>> j
>>>
>>>When you say "I need the ability to fix flats" do you mean that you are
>>>personally going to fix flats without taking it to a service facility?
>>>I'm
>>>not sure what you mean by "giving up." There is nothing to give up if
>>>tire
>>>pressure sensors are installed.[/color]
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>> You got it! I'm not sure how it has been for you but I'm seldom able
>> to cancel the rest of the day for "a proper tire repair" or spend 45
>> min intercourseing with a spare tire - when in less than 5 min I can
>> fill the offending tire with slime or whatever and be on my way. The
>> same goes for using a plug on the road. I had two truck tires fail
>> (way TF out in the stick at critical work) at the same time and made
>> it to a repair facility - that did not honor warranties - except by
>> mail order etc. just spent the cash and gave the sob the old tires
>> that he said would promptly mail in for his own profit ...[/color]
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>It usually takes me less than 5 minutes to change the spare. I opted for
>the lifetime puncture repair when I got my tires at Sears so I just stop by
>after work to have the flat repaired and put back on the car.[color=green]
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>> I have never had a problem with plugs and at least so far - regard
>> them as standard repair. A proper scientific tire repair would no
>> doubt cost in excess of $60 - the cost of a new tire plus all the time
>> involved at either work or vacation. Not a good option.[/color]
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>I have not had problems with plugs either. A proper repair would involve
>the use of a mushroom-shaped plug that is installed from the inside of the
>tire. A dismount-repair-remount-rebalance probably costs around $45.
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>> Sorry if this sound slightly emotional but I fail to see any advantage
>> except a chance to sell technology for its own sake.
>> Is it a fear of hi speed blowouts?
>> Just the physical danger of doing a tire change on either a fwy,
>> street or road could really cancel everything IMHO.
>> j
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>Studies have shown that the majority of the vehicles on the road have
>under-inflated tires, which increases the chances of a blowout. The TREAD
>act will require all passenger cars to have a tire pressure monitoring
>system so you are starting to see some early implementation.[/color]

This must be part of a fuel saving program?

It is my understanding that the sensor on my S will only detect
differential pressure. So if all four tires are running at a sloppy
25 psi all is fine per the sensors. I should have 35-40 psi.

Is there any real difference between the different 'slime' or any of
the fix a flat products? They probably have all become non
flammable.

j