I' surprised that for gen x (that's ten) they didnt go to ind. rear suspension. That being said, the corolla handles better than gen ix but that's the only real shortfall i can see. maybe offer a short throw shifter
I liked the 2009 Honda Civic much better than the Corolla, but I still chose to buy the Corolla.
- Yes the ABS is a little loud, but does it keep you in a straight line in a panic stop? I give it top marks.
- Can the car spin at 200 rpm less at 70 kph? Yes it can, but the engineers know the best speeds the car should turn at to get the best mileage.
- As far as having brighter or dimmer lights, these are personal preferences for each individual. The lights are just fine for my needs.
- Why is the exterior temp and the time not displayed at the same time? My guess that it is partialy bad design and intergration of several devices into one to cut cost. My Corolla is only $500 more than the cost of my 2003 Civic, but has many features that my last car did not have.
- Cars that have independant suspension in the rear or the front require much more room, the cost of engineering and implementing the new design would have an ipact on the final price of the product. The needs of the Corolla owner is met with an improved version of the last design and the cost are kep down.
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I too don't like the all in one temperature/fuel economy/time indicator in the drivers gauges. It is very driver oriented so my passengers have to ask me for the time. Its not a huge problem but a minor inconvenience.
No independent rear suspension. I realize that would increase the cost but it'd be nice to have.
The XRS ride is harsh. Handling is quite good but you do feel every bump in the road. Its what I expected so I'm not disappointed but I wonder if the suspension could have been tuned a little more to provide a slightly more balanced performance/ride quality balance.
For the lurkers reading this...remember these are only small complaints. Overall the car is excellent and very competitive within the price range.
honduh city, no ind rear suspension does not require more room, nor does it require any significant increase in cost. the camry has had a ind rear suspension since 92 and the cost of that car has been pretty much the same since then as well and look at how much more standard equipment you get now vs 1992. All cars have an ind. front suspension as do most trucks. Many cars have an IRS and their room and cost differences is negligible. All I can see is the added cost of a Mcpherson strut assembly instead of the existing spring design. As far as cost, the dodge neon had an ind rear susp. for its entire existance and the neon was a very low cost car to the consumer. If your 09 only cost you $500 more than your 03 yet offered so much more equipment (and i'm willing to bet was quieter than your civic, better mileage and cheaper to insure) then why put the corolla in the same category? The civic is a good car that lasts a long time however the corolla by a culmination of all aspects has always been a better buy than the civic
the xrs has a stiffer shock and lower profile tires, hence like any other sporty type car you'll feel every bump in the road. you ever driven a lamborghini? you'll feel EVERYTHING.
- Can the car spin at 200 rpm less at 70 kph? Yes it can, but the engineers know the best speeds the car should turn at to get the best mileage.
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That means they will never come out with a 6th speed to lower the RPM since you say this RPM is the best for gas mileage.
Some people like to drive a little faster sometimes, especiall on long trips, and I'm sure they would make a better mileage per gallon at lower RPM's.
I think that the engineers made the motor spin faster so that people don't have to downshift as much and get more power in 5th gear. That's all fine, but it takes away MPG at higher speeds.
The way I see it, if you buy a manual transmission, be prepared to shit often and downshift when needed. I would have kept the RPM's low in final gear, like the previous model, so that we could go faster and not feel the motor running out of breath.
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I liked the 2009 Honda Civic much better than the Corolla, but I still chose to buy the Corolla.
- Yes the ABS is a little loud, but does it keep you in a straight line in a panic stop? I give it top marks.
- Can the car spin at 200 rpm less at 70 kph? Yes it can, but the engineers know the best speeds the car should turn at to get the best mileage.
- As far as having brighter or dimmer lights, these are personal preferences for each individual. The lights are just fine for my needs.
- Why is the exterior temp and the time not displayed at the same time? My guess that it is partialy bad design and intergration of several devices into one to cut cost. My Corolla is only $500 more than the cost of my 2003 Civic, but has many features that my last car did not have.
- Cars that have independant suspension in the rear or the front require much more room, the cost of engineering and implementing the new design would have an ipact on the final price of the product. The needs of the Corolla owner is met with an improved version of the last design and the cost are kep down.
the xrs has a stiffer shock and lower profile tires, hence like any other sporty type car you'll feel every bump in the road. you ever driven a lamborghini? you'll feel EVERYTHING.
how can you compare a Corolla to a Lamborghini
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wasn't the new corolla designed in italy? Theres the only relation!
Anyways, i dont like the lag in acceleration and its lack of responsiveness in the S model. They should've given it some more power over the base to differentiate it better.
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Actually the Camry has always had independent rear suspension, since 1983. (Excluding 4WD models)
The Corolla had independent rear suspension on FWD models from 1984-2002. Only in 2003 did they switch to a torsion beam design, both because it does allow for more trunk space (this is a fact). Also because it is cheaper to produce (I think that this is probably the bigger reason for the switch).
The torsion beam on the Corolla is quite good as far as non-IRS setups go, it allows for quite a bit of independent movement on each side without affecting the other side due to the curved spring steel used to make it. That being said the camber is non-adjustable, and it's still not as good a design.
My point is that Toyota already had IRS in the Corolla, for a LONG time, and that the torsion beam design has only been used in the Corolla for about 7 years.
the xrs has a stiffer shock and lower profile tires, hence like any other sporty type car you'll feel every bump in the road. you ever driven a lamborghini? you'll feel EVERYTHING.
Sadly I haven't....fortunately my XRS costs substantially less
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