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Old 05-28-2009, 09:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone,

couple questions, first to anyone who's had a previous version of the 'rolla, is the car near as smooth as the new ones? I ask because I let my 16 year old friend go out driving around practicing his parking for his G2 test last night and he remarked about how smooth of a drive it was. He'll be looking for a car once he saves some money and if the previous ones are as smooth it would make sense for him to consider purchasing one.

Second question, because of the EPS do our cars still have power steering fluid? I am thinking the answer is yes but I'm not sure...


And thirdly, I agree, now, with anyone complaining about the clock position as a passenger, that's the first time i've spent more than a few moments as a passenger in my own car, it kept annoying me to have to lean over to try and read the clock! I think i'll be making a trip to the dollar store for one of those cheap ones!


Thanks in advance for the replies!
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the 09 corolla has a lot of improvement over the previous years corolla. i used to borrow my brother in law's 2002 corolla but it was not as smooth to drive like the 09. regarding EPS the 09 corolla does not have power steering fluid because it is an electrical motor helping out in the steering.

my own opinion about car clocks, it has no use for me because i always wear a wristwatch. so i dont really mind if the car has a digital clock display or not.
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the 09 corolla has a lot of improvement over the previous years corolla. i used to borrow my brother in law's 2002 corolla but it was not as smooth to drive like the 09. regarding EPS the 09 corolla does not have power steering fluid because it is an electrical motor helping out in the steering.

my own opinion about car clocks, it has no use for me because i always wear a wristwatch. so i dont really mind if the car has a digital clock display or not.

Thanks for that info.

Yea the clock, I wear a watch too and when I'm the driver it's in the perfect place for me but I was trying to teach him/watch him while he was parking and it was becoming annoying that I either had to look at my watch or look over instead of just at the radio display. It's a good thing im not a passenger very often lol.


the 02 was still a pretty smooth ride though? Like compared to something like a Hyundai or a Gm or something (not that GM isn't smooth, Hyundai is def not!)
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Hi everyone,

couple questions, first to anyone who's had a previous version of the 'rolla, is the car near as smooth as the new ones? I ask because I let my 16 year old friend go out driving around practicing his parking for his G2 test last night and he remarked about how smooth of a drive it was. He'll be looking for a car once he saves some money and if the previous ones are as smooth it would make sense for him to consider purchasing one.

Second question, because of the EPS do our cars still have power steering fluid? I am thinking the answer is yes but I'm not sure...


And thirdly, I agree, now, with anyone complaining about the clock position as a passenger, that's the first time i've spent more than a few moments as a passenger in my own car, it kept annoying me to have to lean over to try and read the clock! I think i'll be making a trip to the dollar store for one of those cheap ones!


Thanks in advance for the replies!
The GenTen is more refined as far as ride and handling is concerned. Most of that comes from the EPS which stands for Electronic Power Steering.
There is no more power steering fluid as there is no more Power Steering pump. No more parasitic drag on the engine from having to drive a pump.
It is done by electronic motor.

The smoothness he speaks of is likely coming from the lack of feedback in the wheel you would normally expect with a conventional steering configuration.
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Hi everyone,

couple questions, first to anyone who's had a previous version of the 'rolla, is the car near as smooth as the new ones? I ask because I let my 16 year old friend go out driving around practicing his parking for his G2 test last night and he remarked about how smooth of a drive it was. He'll be looking for a car once he saves some money and if the previous ones are as smooth it would make sense for him to consider purchasing one.

Second question, because of the EPS do our cars still have power steering fluid? I am thinking the answer is yes but I'm not sure...


And thirdly, I agree, now, with anyone complaining about the clock position as a passenger, that's the first time i've spent more than a few moments as a passenger in my own car, it kept annoying me to have to lean over to try and read the clock! I think i'll be making a trip to the dollar store for one of those cheap ones!


Thanks in advance for the replies!

1. definitely a better engine and a different engine. they changed the engine in the 2008 model, and will probably be like this for another few years. in terms of smooth ride, thats what my dad and brother said too when i let them drive my car and they also said it was a very smooth ride.
2. no power steering fluid.
3. initially very annoying, but like:

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my own opinion about car clocks, it has no use for me because i always wear a wristwatch. so i dont really mind if the car has a digital clock display or not.
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The GenTen is more refined as far as ride and handling is concerned. Most of that comes from the EPS which stands for Electronic Power Steering.
There is no more power steering fluid as there is no more Power Steering pump. No more parasitic drag on the engine from having to drive a pump.
It is done by electronic motor.

The smoothness he speaks of is likely coming from the lack of feedback in the wheel you would normally expect with a conventional steering configuration.
Thanks! I'll tell my friend about that! I know he wants a new one but he's 16 and his parents wont even take him out driving, I know they wont buy him a car lol, especially not a new one.

He'd probably be fine with anything around the 00/01 mark anyway. Toyota is reliable no matter what year!
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Mine is very smooth

I bought a 2009 XLE about a year ago in June when gas hit $4.25 or so per US gal here in Nevada...I just got pissed off

Anyway I do not Know if the XLE has any different components in its suspension, but this is my 1st "econobox" and it really rides smooth with 35lbs of pressure in the tires. In fact I only got the XLE trim pkg because it was the last Corolla on the lot...(ANYTHING with a 4 banger was just flying off the lot!) What a difference a year makes heh!

I have driven 4 cylinder cars before though, and this little puppy has a very smooth engine, even at idle with the Air conditioner on (It is automatic as well). In my limited 4 cyl experience, they were alwaysa very

All in all I judge it to be a very smooth ride. In my limited 4 cyl experience, I always found them to run a bit on the rough side though...This engine is way different!

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I bought a 2009 XLE about a year ago in June when gas hit $4.25 or so per US gal here in Nevada...I just got pissed off

Anyway I do not Know if the XLE has any different components in its suspension, but this is my 1st "econobox" and it really rides smooth with 35lbs of pressure in the tires. In fact I only got the XLE trim pkg because it was the last Corolla on the lot...(ANYTHING with a 4 banger was just flying off the lot!) What a difference a year makes heh!

I have driven 4 cylinder cars before though, and this little puppy has a very smooth engine, even at idle with the Air conditioner on (It is automatic as well).

All in all I judge it to be a very smooth ride

On idle if I didn't know my car was running I honestly wouldn't think it was, it is soooooooooooooooo quiet! I love my car for that reason, the previous one had a very loud rumble and it use to viberate like crazy!!!
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Who, whoa, whoa! lol. Some serious misinformation being posted in here.

Regarding Electric Power Steering (EPS), some EPS still use power steering fluid, some don't (and I honestly don't know what system the Corolla uses).

There are basically two types of EPS used by car manufacturers:
  1. An electric motor on the steering column that powers the assist mechanism. This does not require power steering fluid.
  2. A conventional-like system uses an electric motor to push power steering fluid through the system instead of an belts/pulleys powered by the operation of the engine. This system uses power steering fluid.
Not all EPS are the same, so it's important not to generalize them into one group.
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There are basically two types of EPS used by car manufacturers:
  1. An electric motor on the steering column that powers the assist mechanism. This does not require power steering fluid.
  2. A conventional-like system uses an electric motor to push power steering fluid through the system instead of an belts/pulleys powered by the operation of the engine. This system uses power steering fluid.
We use number 1, and I've never heard of number 2. Thanks for the info!
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We use number 1, and I've never heard of number 2. Thanks for the info!
yea thanks for that info I appreciate all the answers guys!
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when my wife inquired about the 09 corolla in April 08, the dealer confirmed that it uses an electrical motor and not the fluid style steering anymore. even said no need to bother to maintain the power steering with fluids. my wife was very particular on that aspect before we bought the car because she doesnt want to be troubled with hard steering.

so there is no misinformation about this topic in this thread.
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Who, whoa, whoa! lol. Some serious misinformation being posted in here.

Regarding Electric Power Steering (EPS), some EPS still use power steering fluid, some don't (and I honestly don't know what system the Corolla uses).

There are basically two types of EPS used by car manufacturers:
  1. An electric motor on the steering column that powers the assist mechanism. This does not require power steering fluid.
  2. A conventional-like system uses an electric motor to push power steering fluid through the system instead of an belts/pulleys powered by the operation of the engine. This system uses power steering fluid.
Not all EPS are the same, so it's important not to generalize them into one group.

This isn't misinformation in the context of this thread.
And I won't go into it here but the only misinformation was supplied by you
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This isn't misinformation in the context of this thread.
And I won't go into it here but the only misinformation was supplied by you

besides the other power steering he was talking about is not even called EPS. that is EHPS. an electric-hybrid power steering wherein the hydraulic fluids are assisted by a motor to circulate the fluids. so in this thread we are only talking about EPS and not EHPS.
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yay! Got the answers to my questions and learned the difference between them! Thanks guys
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