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Old 09-16-2009, 12:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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to low or not to low?

hi all ,
just brought myself 215/45/17. but there is too much wheel gap, so was thinking of putting lowering springs. ok so my question is
1) how much difference will there be in ride quality? since i am looking for good ride quality over stiff controls (plus the place where i live , there are just too many potholes etc)

2) there is about almost 7-8 inch wheel gap in front , i was thinking of bringing it down to about 4inchs, so shall i just simple cut off the original? and also wat are the cons of cutting off original springs ?

thanks all.and yea coilover are out of my budget so plz give me alternatives
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1.If your thinking about springs try the TRD springs, search the forum for more info on them. Stiffness depends on springs some will be stiffer then others.

2.NEVER cut stock springs. Its a danger to other people around you and yourself. I've seen dumb people do it to civic ect. and it rides crappy and handles really sloppy.
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lower it why u want a 4x4. coilovers do it right dont go springs on stock shock or strut.
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Tein S-tech springs for the 9th gen should bring you down that a nice, but still comfortable height
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lower it why u want a 4x4. coilovers do it right dont go springs on stock shock or strut.
I've got TRD springs on my stock struts and the ride and handling is fantastic. So exactly, how did I do it wrong?
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Springs do the job when lowering the car. coilovers do the job also but you get better handling with properly tuned coilovers vs. springs and shocks. downside to coilovers is that ride quality is sacrificed.
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Springs do the job when lowering the car. coilovers do the job also but you get better handling with properly tuned coilovers vs. springs and shocks. downside to coilovers is that ride quality is sacrificed.
That's true, and coilovers can easily set you back an additional $1000 or more. Any type of lowering to lower the center of gravity will have a big effect. And it's not just the center of gravity thing, it's that the suspension will stay lined up more closely to ideal which keeps the tires flatter to the road.

Since your car's ultimate handling and grip is very dependant on good low profile tires and wheels, that's where I chose to spend my first extra grand.

In fact, on a skidpad as long as body roll is limited to the point where the suspension stays relatively flat, tire grip is the biggest factor.

Also, stiffer is not always better with a suspension anyways. While stiffer may help limit roll (which the sway bars do anyways) stiff is very bad on uneven and bumpy surfaces. The car will just skip across the bumps. On a race track I'd use coilovers in a second, on the real world streets which is where I actually drive, a good set of struts coupled with good sticky low profile rubber is my choice any day.
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coilovers are adjustable so you can experiment with a good combination of height and ride quality suited to your taste.
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Simple rule of thumb i've always used...

depends on what your car's purpose is...

Daily commuter... Just do Springs...

Track Car / Daily Car .... Coilovers

Don't spend more than you have to. Lowering Springs reduce the Gap... but Coilovers are ideal for track running for superior handling
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Track Car / Daily Car .... Coilovers

Don't spend more than you have to. Lowering Springs reduce the Gap... but Coilovers are ideal for track running for superior handling
Or the roads in your area are as smooth as butter.
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Or the roads in your area are as smooth as butter.
lol yes that too...

Basically if you live in Canada... Coilovers are going to drive you nuts... (well eastern Canada). we got tons of potholes..

up to you though... springs will give you better ride quality. But coilovers will give you performance.
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yes , the place where i live has tons of potholes (and really big ones!). also not so well developed roads , gravels , etc. this car is a daily driver and not meant for racing. i guess the max speed i touch in city is not more then 100km so handling is not very much an issue. its just tht i want to make the ride lower only for cosmetic looks without losing ride quality.
thanks.....
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lol yes that too...

Basically if you live in Canada... Coilovers are going to drive you nuts... (well eastern Canada). we got tons of potholes..

up to you though... springs will give you better ride quality. But coilovers will give you performance.
I was daily driving on coilovers in and around the GTA and it was surprising comfortable and liveable too. Well, that is until they blew out on me. But then again, I may have strong kidneys. It all depends on which ones you choose. I find that the higher end brands are better at controlling harshness.


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yes , the place where i live has tons of potholes (and really big ones!). also not so well developed roads , gravels , etc. this car is a daily driver and not meant for racing. i guess the max speed i touch in city is not more then 100km so handling is not very much an issue. its just tht i want to make the ride lower only for cosmetic looks without losing ride quality.
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Get lowering springs... Tein S-Techs for the 9th gen would be ideal IMO.

TRD Springs are also a good alternative if you want a milder drop.

Both are still very comfortable since they both use progressive spring rates.
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is it true tht the TRD springs give 1/2" to 1" drop??? isnt tht next to nothing? because from wat i see , my car needs atleast 4" drop to make it look nice...........
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is it true tht the TRD springs give 1/2" to 1" drop??? isnt tht next to nothing? because from wat i see , my car needs atleast 4" drop to make it look nice...........
Then i'd go for a 9th Gen Tein spring then...
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