I'm looking for a quiet commuter sedan with good fuel economy, automatic on/off headlights, automatic locking doors, a nice sounding stereo, bluetooth and stability control.
To get these things in a Camry, all I need is the LE model plus JBL stereo.
In a Corolla, I would need an XLE with some option packages.
The Corolla would still cost a bit less to purchase even in XLE trim with JBL and stability control (plus mandatory extra options needed to get those features) and will get better fuel economy (especially with mostly stop and go city driving.
The Camry will have more room and will be safer, but will cost more and probably only get around 23 mpg in mostly city driving, instead of around 28+ mpg in the Corolla. I like that the Camry has that lower cubby that's perfect for storing a GPS. The Corolla has no convenient place to mount and store a portable GPS and if you choose the factory nav, you lose the higher grade JBL stereo, steering wheel controls and integrated bluetooth with caller-id, so the factory nav is not attractive as a substitute for the JBL system plus a portable GPS.
I test drove a 2009 Corolla when they first came out and I didn't mind the smaller back seat since I don't plan to use it much, but I wished the front seat went back a couple more inches.
The Camry will have one touch power up and down windows for all 4 doors and 4 wheel disc brakes.
I like that the Camry has the new 4 cylinder engine and 6-speed automatic transmission for 2010 which probably means that powertrain will remain the same when the 2012 redesigned Camry is released. I don't think they will replace this powertrain a second time for the new Camry in just 2 more years.
I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota replaces the old 4-speed auto in the Corolla XLE in a year or 2.
I'm looking for a quiet commuter sedan with good fuel economy, automatic on/off headlights, automatic locking doors, a nice sounding stereo, bluetooth and stability control.
If you want something quiet, IMO the corolla has bad insulation and isn't that quiet. The Camry is better in the cockpit when it comes to noise.
I believe that all the new cars come with automatic headlights and DRLs even the base model corolla.
Automatic locking doors I believe is a feature that comes when you get a security system? Correct me if I'm wrong. Unless you mean remote lock.
Stock stereo w/o JBL is fine on the Corolla IMO, but never heard the Camry's
All the 2010 models come with vehicle stability and traction control standard on the corolla. So a base model would have it too.
Just letting you know what's standard. If I had the money I would of gotten a Camry instead to be honest. It's a lot nicer.
And if all the base Corolla come with these features i believe that the base Camry should too. I think.
To get these things in a Camry, all I need is the LE model plus JBL stereo. In a Corolla, I would need an XLE with some option packages.
Unless you do a special order through a dealer, finding a Camry LE with the JBL on the dealer lot might be harder, since most are built without that option. On the other hand, Toyota does seem to build the majority of Corolla XLEs I've seen with the JBL/BT option.
Have you also considered other cars in this segment besides the Corolla? I know you can get Navigation with Bluetooth on cars like the Civic EX and Mazda3 Grand Touring.
Unless you do a special order through a dealer, finding a Camry LE with the JBL on the dealer lot might be harder, since most are built without that option. On the other hand, Toyota does seem to build the majority of Corolla XLEs I've seen with the JBL/BT option.
Have you also considered other cars in this segment besides the Corolla? I know you can get Navigation with Bluetooth on cars like the Civic EX and Mazda3 Grand Touring.
If I decided on a Camry, I could special order a Camry LE with JBL and just wait a few months for delivery if I can't find any in any dealer's stock.
I would prefer the tighter steering and handling of a Camry SE, but if you get an SE, you lose the folding rear seat needed to expand cargo carrying space, so that restricts me to only the LE model.
A Civic isn't quiet quiet and a Civic doesn't have automatic headlights and door locks and I don't want a car that will be redesigned in less than a year. Mazda3 gas mileage isn't very good. Might as well get a big Camry for the mpg of a Mazda3 Grand Touring.
It isn't important for the car to have built-in nav, but I want a car where it is easy to use and store a portable GPS without having to keep unplugging and replugging into a power port.
I don't know why no car makers simply make a cubby on the top of the dashboard with a powerport for a portable GPS?
That's a nice cubby in a great location for a GPS, but there is no power port there. You would open the door when you want to use the GPS and just shut the door when you don't.
The Camry has a decent place for a GPS but it's lower than ideal. I could live with the low position though.
I am not dead set on getting a Toyota, but it looks like only Toyotas have the mix of features, mileage and pricing I'm looking for.
Maybe the new Chevy Cruze, but it's a risky buy as a brand new model and may have poor resale value.
The only other car that might work is the 2010 Nissan Sentra SL.
They will offer a $400 factory nav system starting in January 2010.
Not sure about prices in the US. I priced wear and tear parts like brakes cost in Canada, Nissan parts are the highest. Toyota, Honda is relatively less. Possibly volume of cars on the road.
The new Ford Fiesta is looking kind of good. It has mpg of 30 city, 40 highway.
It seems to have everything I wanted plus available extra luxuries not in many other small cars such as power seats and SYNC.
Ford typically have poor resale value and the Fiesta might be too small for what I'm looking for.
I might check it out though.
I'm still very skeptical about domestic cars. I question how come they are producing good cars now in a recession when all the time in the past they have not.
I understand the Fiesta is a European model and they were well recieved in Europe. If it is indeed the same European model without too much redesign in US then it'd still be a good car.
I also remember the Merkur. A great car in Europe and have won a lot of European Rallies but when it came America it was a Dud.
The new Ford Fiesta is looking kind of good. It has mpg of 30 city, 40 highway.
It seems to have everything I wanted plus available extra luxuries not in many other small cars such as power seats and SYNC.
Ford typically have poor resale value and the Fiesta might be too small for what I'm looking for.
I might check it out though.
I would seriously give the Fiesta a look if you can wait that long for the vehicle to arrive. Also, I would even check the Mazda2, since it is also based on the Fiesta...these cars do however compete more with the Yaris than they do the Corolla.
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I'm still very skeptical about domestic cars. I question how come they are producing good cars now in a recession when all the time in the past they have not.
I understand the Fiesta is a European model and they were well recieved in Europe. If it is indeed the same European model without too much redesign in US then it'd still be a good car.
I also remember the Merkur. A great car in Europe and have won a lot of European Rallies but when it came America it was a Dud.
The reason why you are skeptical about Ford's comeback in these bad times is because of what happened to GM and Chrysler. Ford actually woke up and realized that it had to bring the goods in order to compete with Toyota and Honda. The Fiesta ain't no joke, as with the Mazda2. I know that past Fords definitely had the domestic issues, but Ford is seemingly changing into what Toyota was. I don't think the Fiesta is too much watered down than the Euro version (except an uglier grille), so it would be a travesty NOT to look at it also.
Heck, since you are interested in the Camry as well, why not also wait for the 2011 Hyundai Sonata to check out as well.
I'm looking for a quiet commuter sedan with good fuel economy, automatic on/off headlights, automatic locking doors, a nice sounding stereo, bluetooth and stability control.
To get these things in a Camry, all I need is the LE model plus JBL stereo.
In a Corolla, I would need an XLE with some option packages.
The Corolla would still cost a bit less to purchase even in XLE trim with JBL and stability control (plus mandatory extra options needed to get those features) and will get better fuel economy (especially with mostly stop and go city driving.
The Camry will have more room and will be safer, but will cost more and probably only get around 23 mpg in mostly city driving, instead of around 28+ mpg in the Corolla. I like that the Camry has that lower cubby that's perfect for storing a GPS. The Corolla has no convenient place to mount and store a portable GPS and if you choose the factory nav, you lose the higher grade JBL stereo, steering wheel controls and integrated bluetooth with caller-id, so the factory nav is not attractive as a substitute for the JBL system plus a portable GPS.
I test drove a 2009 Corolla when they first came out and I didn't mind the smaller back seat since I don't plan to use it much, but I wished the front seat went back a couple more inches.
The Camry will have one touch power up and down windows for all 4 doors and 4 wheel disc brakes.
I like that the Camry has the new 4 cylinder engine and 6-speed automatic transmission for 2010 which probably means that powertrain will remain the same when the 2012 redesigned Camry is released. I don't think they will replace this powertrain a second time for the new Camry in just 2 more years.
I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota replaces the old 4-speed auto in the Corolla XLE in a year or 2.
So do you need the extra truck space? Bigger back seat? It says the front seat room is about the same. I think the Corolla is very quiet & I've had many people comment to me about that. It is the size of an Camry not that long ago. If you want the lower purchase price, better mpg, and don't need the bigger back seat & trunk I think the choice is simple, get a Corolla. I have a Corolla S with the options you listed and I love it.
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If you want something quiet, IMO the corolla has bad insulation and isn't that quiet. The Camry is better in the cockpit when it comes to noise.
I believe that all the new cars come with automatic headlights and DRLs even the base model corolla.
Automatic locking doors I believe is a feature that comes when you get a security system? Correct me if I'm wrong. Unless you mean remote lock.
Stock stereo w/o JBL is fine on the Corolla IMO, but never heard the Camry's
All the 2010 models come with vehicle stability and traction control standard on the corolla. So a base model would have it too.
Just letting you know what's standard. If I had the money I would of gotten a Camry instead to be honest. It's a lot nicer.
And if all the base Corolla come with these features i believe that the base Camry should too. I think.
The stock stereo doesn't have BT and sounds a lot worse than the JBL. When I was shopping I listened to every level of stereo and I was very happy with the performance difference with the JBL. I also love the built in BT. In fact I think the JBL sounds better in the Corolla than the Camry. I listened to both and maybe the smaller cabin of the Corolla helps out here. I also think the Corolla is very quiet and many people that have been in my car have also stated as much. My folks were surprised and they just bought a new Avalon. I like the Camry too but it is bigger, I don't like the extra size & I don't need it, it costs more, and it gets lower mpg.
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07 Corolla CE CSM 5-speed/ 10 Prius III Blizzard Pearl
The new Ford Fiesta is looking kind of good. It has mpg of 30 city, 40 highway.
It seems to have everything I wanted plus available extra luxuries not in many other small cars such as power seats and SYNC.
Ford typically have poor resale value and the Fiesta might be too small for what I'm looking for.
I might check it out though.
This looks smaller than the Corolla! Plus it's a FORD!
__________________ 89 Supercharged White MR2 5-speed / 09 Corolla S CSM 5-speed
07 Matrix XR Gray Pearl 5-speed (sold 11/23/11)/ 94 Corolla DX Red 5-speed / 95 Previa S/C White Auto/
07 Corolla CE CSM 5-speed/ 10 Prius III Blizzard Pearl
I'm sorry. Actually I drive a car made in America while most American cars are made elsewhere, that's very interesting. I was in the rental car business for years and seeing how the domestic cars faired I'll never buy one compared to a Toyota unless things change in a big way over a long period to prove themselves.
__________________ 89 Supercharged White MR2 5-speed / 09 Corolla S CSM 5-speed
07 Matrix XR Gray Pearl 5-speed (sold 11/23/11)/ 94 Corolla DX Red 5-speed / 95 Previa S/C White Auto/
07 Corolla CE CSM 5-speed/ 10 Prius III Blizzard Pearl
I'm sorry. Actually I drive a car made in America while most American cars are made elsewhere, that's very interesting. I was in the rental car business for years and seeing how the domestic cars faired I'll never buy one compared to a Toyota unless things change in a big way over a long period to prove themselves.
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remember youre on a toyota forum buddy.
Yes this is TN no doubt, but as much as a Big T fanboy as I used to be, and given the company's current state of slight boringness (80's and 90's had the best lineups and quality), I'd be much obliged to buy another new Toyota. Blind loyalty sucks.
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2010 Corolla XLE Vs Camry LE
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Actually I drive a car made in America while most American cars are made elsewhere, that's very interesting. 
I was in the rental car business for years and seeing how the domestic cars faired I'll never buy one compared to a Toyota unless things change in a big way over a long period to prove themselves.
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