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Old 02-08-2012, 10:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If the Camry can get 25-35 with its engine, then the corolla should be able to get a little more because of its weight. It currently gets about the same as the Camry, officially (Yes, I know the transmission has something to do with it). It should also be faster than a Carmy. I think that would be an awesome car.
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Even though the Camry is heavier, you gotta remember that the engine design is newer, so its probably more efficient. Anyway, the Corolla (1.8 models) can easily achieve 35+ mpg's.

Why should it be faster than the Camry? It's just suppose to be a commuter car, daily driver, nice starter car, etc. If you want something faster, look for something different.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If the Camry can get 25-35 with its engine, then the corolla should be able to get a little more because of its weight. It currently gets about the same as the Camry, officially (Yes, I know the transmission has something to do with it). It should also be faster than a Carmy. I think that would be an awesome car.
Toyota did produce such a Corolla, the 05-06 XRS. Youtube it because you'll rarely encounter one...
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Toyota did produce such a Corolla, the 05-06 XRS. Youtube it because you'll rarely encounter one...
True, but you won't be getting as good MPG with that one.
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If the XRS would have gotten 25-35 just like the new Camry, it would have been a much more popular car.

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If the Camry can get 25-35 with its engine, then the corolla should be able to get a little more because of its weight. It currently gets about the same as the Camry, officially (Yes, I know the transmission has something to do with it). It should also be faster than a Carmy. I think that would be an awesome car.
I'm not sure what the rest of you guys are getting but my Corolla gets about 28 to 30 around town and easily 36 or 37 on the highway. Also I am by no means some sort of hyper-miler that is grandma driving all over the place. I get into the gas pedal pretty regularly.

Now as for speed versus the Camry. There's a lot more involved there than just the weight of the car. The Corolla is designed to be a fuel efficient commuter car from the get go. The Camry has a slightly larger engine that allows it do develop more torque and torque is the key to getting a car moving quickly, not horsepower. Horsepower is work overtime so higher horsepower is great in the top end but not so much off the line. As it happens the Camry has both more torque and more horsepower. In addition the Camry has a different transmission that probably enables it to deliver engine torque to the wheels better or more quickly than the transmission in the Corolla. Again, remember that the Corolla is designed with more of an eye towards fuel efficiency and therefore the transmission is going to be geared along those lines. On top of all of this is the engine control module (ECM) that controls shift points, fuel maps, throttle position settings and so on. Long story short is that the Camry is faster because it was designed to be faster. But you also pay more for it and one thing I know for sure about buying cars is this. When you want a performance oriented car, you pay for the level of performance, not the amount of raw material it took to build the car.
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True, but you won't be getting as good MPG with that one.
Says who?

The 9th gen XRS came with a 6-speed manual. Should help keep the revs low when cruising on the highway.

You can get good fuel economy on any car if you drive like a granny.
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True, but you won't be getting as good MPG with that one.
Well, can't have both...

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Says who?

The 9th gen XRS came with a 6-speed manual. Should help keep the revs low when cruising on the highway.

You can get good fuel economy on any car if you drive like a granny.
Our rpm's are still high on 6th gear crusing 65+mph and with our 12gal tank. The 04 Camry v6 has the advantage of greater range. I've done S.F. to L.A. trips on my xrs and my parents 04 Camry v6 in the past.

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The 9th gen XRS came with a 6-speed manual. Should help keep the revs low when cruising on the highway.

You can get good fuel economy on any car if you drive like a granny.
The 9th Gen XRS had a close ratio 6-speed to help keep the car in the powerband but the revs were even higher at hwy speeds then the 5-speed CE/S models. The 5-speed had better lower torque where the XRS needed to be in the higher revs to get up & go with a lot more shifting. That being said the XRS is a blast to drive & reminds me of my 1st Gen NA MR2's that I've owned. Thise were the same way in the sense that you had to keep the revs up much higher then I do in my SC MR2.
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The 9th gen XRS came with a 6-speed manual. Should help keep the revs low when cruising on the highway.

You can get good fuel economy on any car if you drive like a granny.
My brother drives a 2005 Celica GT-S, even though it has a 6 speed, the revs are still the same compared to the 5 speed on my Xrs. I'll be cruising in 6th on the GT-S, and it would be about the same on my Xrs.

He averages no more than 30mpg, doesn't drive like a granny or a nascar driver.
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To the OP.

You also have to think of the very small percentage of people buying such a car and compare it to cost of R&D. The new v6 Camry's are pretty quick. A similar year Corolla will need OEM turbo or sc to come close to its performance.
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You also have to think of the very small percentage of people buying such a car and compare it to cost of R&D. The new v6 Camry's are pretty quick. A similar year Corolla will need OEM turbo or sc to come close to its performance.
I think the OP meant that if the Corolla XRS could have the same 2.5L engine with the 6-speed that the Camry has, it should be quicker & get better MPG then the Camry does with the same combo since it would be smaller & lighter then the Camry.
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I think the OP meant that if the Corolla XRS could have the same 2.5L engine with the 6-speed that the Camry has, it should be quicker & get better MPG then the Camry does with the same combo since it would be smaller & lighter then the Camry.
Now a 4cyl SE 6spd brings it down several notches.
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I think the OP meant that if the Corolla XRS could have the same 2.5L engine with the 6-speed that the Camry has, it should be quicker & get better MPG then the Camry does with the same combo since it would be smaller & lighter then the Camry.
I didn't see anything about an XRS in his post. It looked to me like he was just talking about the standard 1.8 liter Corolla.
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