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Old 09-27-2011, 08:00 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Actually, the reason for using synthetic oil in the winter is not just to facilitate easier cold starts - the syn is far more viscous in cold environments than dino oil and circulates throughout the engine at a much faster rate as compared to dino oil. Faster rate of circulation reduces cold start friction.

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I believe you or the Mobil 1 rep meant to say the synthetic is "less viscous" in cold environments than dino oil
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Bovie323I Your link goes to the TIS page for Toyota.

Here is a 2010-2011 link for USA Market. There does not seem to be a published official Toyota chart for 2012 USA yet.

www.scribd.com/doc/48798088/T-TT-0005-10

Sorry for the dead link. I have it on my documents. I am still working on how to post it here from my docs.
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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yea you meant less viscous because viscosity is actually the resistance to flow...therefore something less viscous flows easier than something more viscous.

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I believe you or the Mobil 1 rep meant to say the synthetic is "less viscous" in cold environments than dino oil
yep...my bad...meant less viscous....... brain skipped a cycle....
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Question 0-20 oil for Venza.

I'm a "newbie" to Toyotanation and this is my first post. I traded in my 2007 RAV 4, V-6 engine, today for a 2012 Venza LE with the V-6 engine, FWD, Blizzard Pearl. Since both these vehicles have the same basic V-6 engine I thought the oil change specs, would be the same. After reading the Venza owner's manual I see that the same canister type oil filter (with removable element) is used for both. That's good as I have several new Toyota brand oil filters left over from my RAV 4. What surprised me is the difference in oil viscosity recommended by Toyota. The RAV 4 manual called for 5w-30 which I used religiously (Mobil 1, 5w-30) every 5,000 to 6,000 miles. Yeah, I'm a bit anal about oil changes. The new Venza Owner's Manual says to use 0-20w for all oil changes. That's a big difference I wasn't expecting. I got several cases of Mobil 1 5w-30 in my garage but no 0-20w. Is 0-20w the way to go with my new Venza? Has Toyota tightened the clearances up that much in this motor so that this much thinner oil is recommended? I want to do the right thing but I'm just not familiar with 0-20w spec. oil. Any advice, suggestions, help, etc. that anyone provides pertaining to this question will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Toyota began recommending the 0w20 oil in most (if not all) of their engines in the past year or two. Most of Toyota's lineup switched to this- even though different oil was previously recommended. I'm pretty sure that all vehicles that use the 3.5 engine now recommend the 0w20- including new Rav4 models sold today that are identical to your old Rav4.

Some people think it is too thin, but some Toyota models have recommended this oil for years in order to get slightly better mileage. My 07 Camry Hybrid has used 0w-20 since it was new- and it actually runs better (performance and mileage) compared to the higher viscosity oil. (I perform my own oil changes, and once I couldn't locate any 0w-20). I now have more than 70,000 miles on the clock without a single engine-hickup.
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0W-20 is an excellent oil, one of the best on the market. It's actually made by Mobil now (but it's different than the Mobil1 0W-20 they sell in regular stores). Toyota just updated their service requirements, even with the same engines. Since the engines are the same, you theoretically could run the old 5W-30 in your Venza, but since 5W-30 is no longer the OE factory fill, you'd run into some issues should you have to claim engine related warranty repairs.
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I was just about to post a thread about venza oil in general when I saw this thread. I found some old posts on the other venza site and read what I could but here are a couple more questions.....

#1.). Is there such a thing as NON synthetic 0w-20 oil? (and if not, then what would the dealer put in my 2.7 under toyotacare?)

#2.) What is the up charge for synthetic at the dealer in general? (yes, with the advent of toyotacare I consider the whole program a scam if they now want us all to use synthetic but will call it an "upsell". I mean the oil changes are either free or they're not. Like the time they swapped my red coolant for green til I had a keniption fit and they put red back in.)
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Nope. all 0W are synthetic. Usually the dealer will ask for ~$5 to $10 more. But, you can argue that the service manual states that the car only takes 0W-20 and force them to call corporate to confirm because that is what they specified.

You should watch out because some will throw in 5W-20 instead and claim it is 0W since they are so similar because some techs are lazy to grab bottled oil instead of what they have in drums.

Also, what the f is the dealer thinking? I have never heard of a dealer using green coolant before. Its only Red LLC or Pink.
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That actually happened about 5 years ago or so. I let them do timing belt, wp, seals, etc.etc. and when they refilled the coolant after replacing the pump, I opened the hood to find my coolant reservoir as green as the head of the d........wait, that's for red, sorry.

Ya, needless to say I flipped my lid. These days they will still put green in unless you tell them AND you're willing to pay for the upgrade. Thus my disdain for the very idea that they could pull that same stunt with this new oil conundrum!

One more thing I'm finding funny is that my toyotacare schedule is showing every 5,000 miles while over on the gen7 Camry forum, they're talking about 10,000 mile intervals. If its the same oil for both vehicles, why the different intervals?
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The 10k interval talk going on at the 7th gen Camry forum is strictly regarding oil changes. ToyotaCare tells you to bring it in every 5k miles so you can do tire rotations and inspections halfway between the oil changes interval.

Every 5k miles is a tire rotation and multi-point inspection. Another 5k puts you at 10k, so you do the tire rotation again plus an oil change this time. Another 5k, tires. Another 5k = 10k again, so oil and tires. Does this make sense?
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Yes, but my Toyotacare scheduled 5,000 interval (yes, my first) specifically says "oil", not just tires. So unless I'm missing something the question remains.
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It is interesting to note that Toyota says in the manuals for 2009-2011 model years with V6 engine...

"The 30 in 5W-30 indicates the oil viscosity when the oil is at its operating
temperature.
An oil with a higher viscosity may be better suited if the vehicle
is operated at high speeds, or under extreme load conditions."

This suggests to me that 5w40 might be more appropriate if you tow, or drive at Western state elevated highway speeds over long distances.

This begs the question of course for synthetic oils if you decide to use them.
That is to say would 0-30 or even be more appropriate than 0-20 if you tow, or drive long distance at high speeds?

All the owners manuals elude to higher viscosity being better suited for either non synthetic or synthetic if conditions warrant.

The only compromise I can see would be a slight loss in fuel economy from the use of the higher viscosity.

The 2009-2011 Owners manuals have not as yet been updated to reflect 0-20 synthetic 10000 mile oil change for the V6. As it stands right now only the 2012 Venza manual calls for the synthetic in the V6.

Does anyone know for sure if Toyota will backdate synthetic oil for the 2009-2011 years?
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What doe the oil filler cap on your new Venza indicate for oil grade? Follow that.

Two issues relative to oil grade are in play by Toyota: Cost of Ownership and fuel economy.

The 2-yr coupons indicate oil change/tire rotation every 5K miles unless you use full syn which toyota allows 10K mile oil change intervals.

The shift to 0W-20 for 6-cyl engines is about increasing fuel economy..... as discussed previously the 0W-20 is more appropriate for low temp starts as the oil will circulate quicker and reduce cold-start friction in cold climates.

In the past toyota had problems with oil gelling in the older 6-cyl engines and recommended lighter weights and shorter oil change intervals using dino oil or the use of syn oil as a prevention. There are no TSB's issued relative to the new 6-cyl engine that's been out since 2006.

Using 5W-40 is not necessary (or acceptable by toyota) for frequent towing or extra duty use of your venza - shorter oil change intervals would be better unless you use syn.

I wil double-check for new TSB's regarding oil weight and get back.
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