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Old 04-25-2010, 01:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New struts questions . . .

I've got a 98 XLS, and it looks like I need new struts. Someone told me all four corners have struts on them.(?) What I'd like to do is buy them aftermarket and have a friend put them on. I'm also guessing that it's going to need an alignment, too. Sears said $800 for P&L, without the mounting plates.

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The struts have no adjustment for toe or camber, so if you don't change the ride height radically, and the new strut has it's mounting bolts in the correct locations (same as OEM) you shouldn't need to align it after installing new struts.

I bought Tokico Blues because they have a good reputation but there are cheaper solutions (like Monroe's.) The struts were about $350 for the set (all 4) and a local shop said they'd charge $600 to install. I installed them myself. Besides the struts you should replace the stop bushings and front pillow bearing and mount.

P.S. Why do you think you need new struts? My car ended up needing struts and springs.

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Nothing radical is being done - just new struts.

I honestly don't know that I need them, it's just that there's alot of rattling all around, especially when I go over speed bumps. I don't know if they're original or not - I've got 162K on the car. I've got a friend that's going to take a look at them tomorrow.

I hear a lot about replacing the mounting plates(?) too?

And there are four struts, right? - not two struts and two shocks.?.
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There are two things you need to look for, worn struts (yes, they are struts on all 4 corners) and warn out bushings. My car, which has 95,000 miles on it, had both. The suspension is definitely a weak point in the first generation Avalons, which share suspension components with the Camry, despite being considerably heavier.

If the shocks are worn out the car will float around too much and is more likely to bottom over bumps. The rattle you hear, can come from the shocks, especially the front mount, but is more likely coming from the sway arm bushings. The bushings are the cheapest to replace, other than the labor costs. The suspension arm ball joints can also wear out. You need to check those for play. You should also confirm the shock mounts are tightened. Sometimes they come loose. If you don't know how to do this yourself it can be expensive. When I first got the car I let a shop "fix" the rattle. They replaced the suspension bushings and bearings and it ran me almost $1000 at least half of it labor. I subsequently replaced the struts and springs myself. I wish I had done the suspension bushings and bearings myself but I was busy at the time.

On my car everything that could be bad was. All the bushings were worn out and needed to be replaced. The shocks were shot. The mounts were loose in the back. The rear springs had sagged 2 inches and the car constantly bottomed on everything.

The suspension wear is directly related to how hard the suspension has worked. The guy I bought the car from lived in an area with very bad roads and he wore it out driving over all the potholes.

We put Tokico struts ($350) and Vogtland lowering springs ($200) on the car because we wanted to improve it's handling. If your springs are OK, and you are OK with the ride, it is much cheaper to go with something like Monroe struts and keep the original springs. KYB is another one that gets good reviews and is a bit cheaper than Tokico, but more expensive than Monroe.

I would never let Sears or a similar place replace my suspension. They have a horrible reputation for auto work, as do many of the franchise auto shops. It is much better to talk to friends who have older cars and get a recommendation on a good independent shop or mechanic.

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ImDisaster/autopilot I am also in the process of hunting down the best deal to replace all 4 springs and struts. Most places here in Canada charge about $350 per assembly for the parts only.

Did you notice much of a difference in handling when changing to the Vogtland lowering springs?

Also, would you happen to know if the 96 Camry struts/spring are inter-changeable with the 96 Avalon? I'd really like to use the quick strut from Monroe because it would save me a ton of time but they've only got it for the Camry.

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ImDisaster/autopilot I am also in the process of hunting down the best deal to replace all 4 springs and struts. Most places here in Canada charge about $350 per assembly for the parts only.

Did you notice much of a difference in handling when changing to the Vogtland lowering springs?

Also, would you happen to know if the 96 Camry struts/spring are inter-changeable with the 96 Avalon? I'd really like to use the quick strut from Monroe because it would save me a ton of time but they've only got it for the Camry.

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I'm not clear on what particular year Camry is equal to the Avalon. I know they have different start and stop dates. Also can't say whether the Monroe, Camry quick strut would work with the Avalon.

The difference in handling was HUGE, with the Vogtland lowering springs, and Tokico struts. The car corners much, much flatter now. There is almost no nose dive when braking. It was a complete transformation from a car that floated like a boat, with seemingly little connection to the road to a car that reacts assuredly now. On the other hand, I am comparing it to driving on a car with a totally shot suspension. The steering is now the biggest inhibitor to the performance, it feels loose and sloppy. I also get the occasional clicking sound from it. I suspect the rack is badly worn.

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Disaster, thanks for your help. I'm going to meet up with my friend Wednesday night, and I'm going to print out what you've suggested and he can take it from there.
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You are welcome. You can save some money with some aftermarket parts, vs. Toyota parts, like the suspension bearings and bushings. I'd stick with the Toyota pillow ball mount though. Also, there are some online sources that have much cheaper OEM parts than local dealers. PM me if you want to know where I bought my parts. I'm not sure it is kosher to post the sources here.
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i had a loud clunk noise in the rear of my avalon and it was the rear sway bar bushings. 16$ and 15 min later i was happy.
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