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Old 09-05-2010, 12:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ok so get in the car yesterday and notice a viberation at 40mph and above and its worse when applying brakes at these speeds as soon as the car is under 40 it quits viberating.

Any ideas?

Bad tire

bad tie rod end

bad wheel bearing?

now this morning got ready for church driving the church has a nightmare its even worse. and i noticed a "hot" smell from the car like hot brakes or hot rubber.
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Old 09-05-2010, 06:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I find hot brakes to be a distinctive smell, not easily confused with hot rubber. But if your nose is less discriminating, and smelling close to each wheel and feeling the radiated heat from the brakes (don't touch!) doesn't find it for you, you s/b be able to easily check for dragging brakes by lifting with a jack and checking for free spinning of each wheel.

If the vibration and smell are unrelated, the vibe could be as simple as a thrown wheel weight. Bad CV joints can also give vibes, particularly starting at speeds in the upper 30's (mph).
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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OK heres the new crap going on. jacked up car and checked for wheel bearing (not sure if my test works on theses cars) (trying to move tire from top to bottom looking for play) I didnt find any.

The smell is deffently brake pad smell dunno if the vibes are causeing the pads to drag. going to get up at 7am to pull tire off. started to do it this afternoon but in direct sunlight here (no shade trees ) temp was 115F on the concreate drive way. I was going to do it after the sun went down but its been lighting and thundering all evening so ill try to attack it in the morning.
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Old 09-05-2010, 11:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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from what you're saying my bet is a bad tire. you may well have thrown a belt inside the tire. jack the car up, spin the wheels and look for wiggling tread. if you find it, that's the bad tire.
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Old 09-06-2010, 07:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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shake from side to side felt in the steering wheel is usually a tie rod/end.

shake 45 mph + usually wheel balancing issue.

whine/groan going down the road usually wheel bearings.

vibration 50 mph + that comes and goes, bent wheel.

sometimes when manually spinning the tire with the car jacked up, you can feel a bulge which would be a belt let loose inside the tire.

Hope it helps. Let us know what it was.
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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while i agree with what you said, fourwheeler, only a tire and a bent wheel happen suddenly... and he should know if he bent a wheel. that sure isn't hard to do on my '97. more "make money after the sale engineering" ...
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ok swaped front passenger side tire. the vibes are still there BUT not as bad. did notice some weights missing off the inside of the tire. hot brake smell is still there its coming from the drivers side of the car lol. so im wondering if the brake caliper may be stuck causeing it?
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:18 AM   #8 (permalink)
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well heres the thing about it may be a bent rim or thrown weights the day before this started i let my brother inlaw borrow the car. and hes not known for treating things nice lol so u dunno.
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sonic - did you try to turn the rotor on the driver's side with your hands, when the wheel was off? was it stuck? did it stick in one place, and turn free in another?
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rotors

not yet being lazy the rotors are new i just put them on 2-3 months ago.
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not yet being lazy the rotors are new i just put them on 2-3 months ago.
You could have done the suggested test while the wheels were off for the swap. It wasn't a suggestion to machine the rotors. It's the fundamental test for pads that are staying in contact and overheating. It's also a test for warped rotors. The contact for less than 360 degrees of the rotation is indicative of a warped rotor. But I don't recall your reporting a pulsing pedal, so warping doesn't seem to be a problem.

It's a small investment of time and materials to take off the offending caliper to clean and lube it's slides and pins, if you didn't do all that when you replaced the rotors (and pads, I assume.)
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Ok new update. found the stuck rotor/brakes its the Passenger side rear. not sure if its the caliper or the E-brake sticking I can really tear into it untill i have the funds to get the parts. the viberation is from the alignment im pretty sure so i got to come up with $122 + alignment and brake parts.

Im starting to feel like digital mage here LOL its always something. and i still have that screwed up a/c issue.
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Ok new update. found the stuck rotor/brakes its the Passenger side rear. not sure if its the caliper or the E-brake sticking I can really tear into it untill i have the funds to get the parts. the viberation is from the alignment im pretty sure so i got to come up with $122 + alignment and brake parts.

Im starting to feel like digital mage here LOL its always something. and i still have that screwed up a/c issue.
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Ok new update. found the stuck rotor/brakes its the Passenger side rear. not sure if its the caliper or the E-brake sticking I can really tear into it untill i have the funds to get the parts. the viberation is from the alignment im pretty sure so i got to come up with $122 + alignment and brake parts.

Im starting to feel like digital mage here LOL its always something. and i still have that screwed up a/c issue.
Driving in that heat without A/C must be clouding your mind.

Seriously, if the brake problem is just pins/slides/contact surfaces needing cleaning & lube, parts cost could be zero if you have the lube, or 99 cents if you have to get the small pack at the register at AZ et. al.

You s/b able to distinguish between the service and parking brakes as the problem by removing the wheel and spreading the pads away from the rotor (wood wedge or real carefully with a screwdriver), then turning the hub/rotor. If the problem stays, it's in the PB. Else, it's in the service brake. Assuming not the hub bearing, which can get burned out by the heat from a bad brake.
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yea i was just sitting here this morning thinking about that. i may go out there today and mess with it.
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