I have a 2001 Avalon with 89k and know it's almost time to replace the timing belt. It's my understanding this engine is not a interference (SP) type engine. What would happen if i waited until the belt snaps? Would that cause more damage? Or would the replacement cost be about the same. Thanks, Bubba!
Just remember Murphy's Law: The belt will break at 2AM - 150 miles from home - in a driving rainstorm/blizzard - while you're urgently trying to get somewhere. Also, even non-interference engines can suffer damage when the belt lets go. All in all - better to spend the $500 on a planned basis. Don't forget to do the water pump at the same time.
bobflood has a very valid point. In addition to the pump, you may want to consider replacing the drive belts, coolant and the three front seals. It is all right there and it just becomes a small amount of additional work and the price of the parts. In fact, I'd be surprised if anyone did the T/belt without doing seals, pump, etc.
I only recommend these as a preventative measure because every time I see someon try to save a buck, in the long run it ends up costing them more than they would have saved. Believe me when I say this. I see it every day. I feel no sympathy for those who do not take my advice and something goes wrong when it could have been prevented. The price of the additional parts far outweighs the headache and aggravassion than what will happen if you don't and something does go wrong.
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Originally Posted by bubba2hill
I have a 2001 Avalon with 89k and know it's almost time to replace the timing belt. It's my understanding this engine is not a interference (SP) type engine. What would happen if i waited until the belt snaps? Would that cause more damage? Or would the replacement cost be about the same. Thanks, Bubba!
Just remember Murphy's Law: The belt will break at 2AM - 150 miles from home - in a driving rainstorm/blizzard - while you're urgently trying to get somewhere. Also, even non-interference engines can suffer damage when the belt lets go. All in all - better to spend the $500 on a planned basis. Don't forget to do the water pump at the same time.
bobflood, since this is my wife's car and I don't want her stranded in the middle of nowhere, guess i better get this done.
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Originally Posted by TOYOPARTSMAN
bobflood has a very valid point. In addition to the pump, you may want to consider replacing the drive belts, coolant and the three front seals. It is all right there and it just becomes a small amount of additional work and the price of the parts. In fact, I'd be surprised if anyone did the T/belt without doing seals, pump, etc.
I only recommend these as a preventative measure because every time I see someon try to save a buck, in the long run it ends up costing them more than they would have saved. Believe me when I say this. I see it every day. I feel no sympathy for those who do not take my advice and something goes wrong when it could have been prevented. The price of the additional parts far outweighs the headache and aggravassion than what will happen if you don't and something does go wrong.
TOYOPARTSMAN, I talked to a mechanic today. He said he would replace the timing belt, water pump, all the other belts for around $500-$550. I don't recall him saying anything about 3 front seals. Would you please tell me exactly where these are located or what to ask for. Don't want to overlook anything while he's working on it.
The three seals are the two cam seals and front crank/oil pump seal. When we do a timing belt job here at the Dealer, we include them in the job. Not sure where he or you would be getting your parts, but OEM Retail is about $24.00 for all three.
When he is doing the job, don't be alarmed he if comes back to you and recommends valve cover gaskets, depending on if they have ever been done or the shape, they may need to be done to. Again, I don't know the shape of your engine as far as oil leakage and such. But from your threads, I believe you are doing the T/belt as a preventative measure. Again, some things may not need to be done, like the V/C gskts, but the seals I would do with the T/belt.
Don't hesitate to ask me anything, I have been supplying parts for Toyota's for a very long time and I tend to think in the terms of what is needed and what can be replaced while you are doing a particular job. Many times I think of the things even a Technician forgets to mention.
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Originally Posted by bubba2hill
bobflood, since this is my wife's car and I don't want her stranded in the middle of nowhere, guess i better get this done.
TOYOPARTSMAN, I talked to a mechanic today. He said he would replace the timing belt, water pump, all the other belts for around $500-$550. I don't recall him saying anything about 3 front seals. Would you please tell me exactly where these are located or what to ask for. Don't want to overlook anything while he's working on it.
[QUOTE=bubba2hill;3281001]bobflood, since this is my wife's car and I don't want her stranded in the middle of nowhere, guess i better get this done. ]
Damn straight you don't want her stranded. This just became a "You would be an idiot to wait until it breaks" job.
I agree completely with toyotapartsman re the seals. The crankshaft and two camshaft ends stick out thru the engine block/heads and have sprockets on them that the timing belt goes on. The "seals" he is talking about go around these shafts to keep the oil inside the engine block/heads from leaking out. While the mechanic is in there changing the timing belt, it makes sense to do the small extra step of removing the sprockets and replacing the seals in the engine block/heads behind them.
Hey, Toyotapartsman, good to hear your offer to answer questions. Most recently, the local dealer's parts guy couldn't find a number for A/C port caps, (I later did) but they charge 120-130% of list price for what they can find. And seem to stock little but filters, belts and brake pads.
Anyway, I was wondering if this set of timing related items is OEM, as some suppliers claim it is. I know when I did my son's 97 Camry, the parts I removed had other manufacturers' names on them.
OK, let me see if I'm missing anything. 90K preventative maintenance.
Timing Belt
Water Pump
Both Drive Belts
Cam & Crank seals
What about these Kit's I see that include Tensioner Bearing and Idler Bearing. Should I buy the kit, or each part separate?
Should I buy these parts at the Toyota Dealer, NAPA, Auto Plus, Carquest, Advance Auto, AutoZone, etc.
Can anyone recommend a on-line Toyota Parts Dealer that might save a few bucks and not have to pay NC sales tax.
Any Brand names that are better than others? I will first check the prices at the local Toyota Dealer, then anyplace you guy's recommend. I guess OEM parts are a must, and forget about aftermarket stuff.
Sorry, if any of these questions sound stupid! Usually we trade our cars every 10 years, but with the recession, I find it hard to buy a new car right now and want to get the most out of this Avalon, as i can. My 1999 Toyota Tacoma is running strong, and haven't had any problems with it. It's a keeper till death do us apart.
I will supply the parts and the mechanic will just charge for labor.
Last edited by bubba2hill; 08-06-2010 at 08:01 PM.
Reason: Want to add more
I always recommend factory parts because they offer a 1 year unlimited mileage warranty and are designed to fit properly. As far as the idler's we don't do them here unless they are absolutely neccesary, which is very rare.
Part#s for the T/belt job are as follows:
13568-09080 T/belt
16100-29085 Water Pump
90080-91088-83 drive belt( if either belt number doesn't come up try -78 at the end.
99366-21040-83 drive belt
90311-40022 crank seal
90311-38034 x2 cam seals
In addition you'll need coolant, I recommend the red coolant. You may need some form in place gasket (FIPG) Toyota number is 00295-00103.
As I said in an earlier post, don't be alarmed if you need a Valve Cover Gasket: 11213-20020 right 11214-20010 left
I hope this information serves you well. Let me know if you need anything.
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Originally Posted by bubba2hill
OK, let me see if I'm missing anything. 90K preventative maintenance.
Timing Belt
Water Pump
Both Drive Belts
Cam & Crank seals
What about these Kit's I see that include Tensioner Bearing and Idler Bearing. Should I buy the kit, or each part separate?
Should I buy these parts at the Toyota Dealer, NAPA, Auto Plus, Carquest, Advance Auto, AutoZone, etc.
Can anyone recommend a on-line Toyota Parts Dealer that might save a few bucks and not have to pay NC sales tax.
Any Brand names that are better than others? I will first check the prices at the local Toyota Dealer, then anyplace you guy's recommend. I guess OEM parts are a must, and forget about aftermarket stuff.
Sorry, if any of these questions sound stupid! Usually we trade our cars every 10 years, but with the recession, I find it hard to buy a new car right now and want to get the most out of this Avalon, as i can. My 1999 Toyota Tacoma is running strong, and haven't had any problems with it. It's a keeper till death do us apart.
I will supply the parts and the mechanic will just charge for labor.
I am not sure of the forum rules here, because I am technically not yet a supporting vendor. I have paid my dues to become one and waiting on their creative team to get back to me, which should be any day now. When that happens, the answer is yes to deals. I will only sell factory genuine Toyota OEM parts. I am a Parts Manager at a Toyota store and I and my wife both drive Toyota's. 04 Camry and 09 Sienna.
Aisin and Koyo have made parts for Toyota. To be honest with you, I have never looked at the names on them when I hand them out. What I'll do, is Monday at work, I'll open them up and look. I do know that they are suppliers for Toyota on some things, so it wouldn't surprise me. Koyo is definetly a bearing manufacturer that Toyota has/does use. Mitsubishi does manufacture drive belts for Toyota, I just don't know 100% for sure if they do the T/BELT for them.
The additional items that are not included in that kit that I would recommend is the two drive betls, and the three seals. I have posted those numbers in a previous Post. I also recommend new coolant and you may want to check your valve cover gaskets if and when you do the job. You may or may not want to tackle that on if it looks like its leaking. One last thing is some Silicone or FIPG(Toyota form in place gasket).
I hope I answered your question, and I'll check the belt and pump on Monday.
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Hey, Toyotapartsman, good to hear your offer to answer questions. Most recently, the local dealer's parts guy couldn't find a number for A/C port caps, (I later did) but they charge 120-130% of list price for what they can find. And seem to stock little but filters, belts and brake pads.
Anyway, I was wondering if this set of timing related items is OEM, as some suppliers claim it is. I know when I did my son's 97 Camry, the parts I removed had other manufacturers' names on them.
I have bought online from toyotaoemparts.com and Fort Bend Toyota in TX. Usually 25-30% less than local dealer plus shipping. No problems with either.
The Fort Bend Toyota dealer you have to call or e-mail for prices. The toyotaoemparts.com does list the price and are much cheaper than my local dealer, but just got a quote from TOYOPARTSMAN and he's even cheaper. He even sent me a screen shot of the part numbers, description, and prices, and the shipping was very reasonable, and a few bucks cheaper than toyotaoemparts.com. Bobflood, i do appreciate the above information though, it gave me something to run a comparison with, more than 2 dealers. Don't think I'll need to look any further. Will buy all my stuff from TOYOPARTSMAN from now on. Sure am glad I joined Toyota Nation forum.
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