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Old 02-18-2005, 03:22 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I know this has been said 300 times already, but CAMRY BRAKES FADE!!!!
I put close to 100 miles per day on my car, and run it down a 7 mile twisted road once or twice a week....thats 7 miles of hell for brakes. 90-30 80-25 70-25.....after the 3rd or 4th turn they start fading....thats maybe 2 miles in. Granted for everyday a-b driving the brakes are fine, But if you want to be able to have consistant brakes for hard driving your going to need an upgrade regardless of hp and engine mods. Everything that is done to a car as far as brakes, suspension, rubber and rims *as long as your not throwing 24 inch spinners on it* will help you in the corners. The way I see it is this, If I can stay at 90 mph a few seconds longer, thats a few seconds I am ahead of my previous self. Think about it, seconds decide races.
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Old 02-18-2005, 04:03 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Putting larger brakes doesn't mean it is the end of brake fade... Pads are equally important to reduce fade.

I bet if you slap some aftermarket pads (more biased to racing), you will not have any more fade, not until you decide to do 10-20 consecutive braking sessions

Larger brakes comes with a cost... as in the need for larger wheels which in turn increase overall wheel weight... now your brakes have to overpower this increased weight. There is a balance in between... So far IMO, the stock Camry rotors are decently sized for its vehicle weight. The pad surface of the stock Camry calipers isn't bad as well.
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Old 02-18-2005, 04:21 PM   #33 (permalink)
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They said they integrate well with the stock MC, and they build them accordingly to the specs of the master cylinders.

I got off the phone with Loren @ Rotora and he said they only sell to distributors, so if we can get one of our vendors on here to order from them, then we can get a groupbuy set up with one of the vendors.

Oh and I might be working in sales with Rotora, so maybe I can already have my first set of orders lined up.
Brake companies say a lot of stuff... lol I don't trust comments made by themselves who sells their own products.

Honda for example, I have been inside nearly 4-5 big brake Hondas... Most of these kits say they work wonderful with the stock MC... yeah right, not even close. On one car in particular, I had to drop the brake pedal about 3-4 inches of travel before the brakes react. It works, but it does not have a correct brake feel and reaction. On all the other big brake kits using stock MC's, none of them worked out. None of them was able to retain stock brake feel and firmness.

On the Camry, I don't see it being any different. The pistons are larger, holds more capacity, larger calipers, etc... It doesn't take a genius to guess what the end result would be.
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Old 02-18-2005, 04:23 PM   #34 (permalink)
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You gonna send me some customers or you talking about having a retailer set us up with a group buy. I want the sales yo.
I can get a vendor to set this up.
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Old 02-18-2005, 09:10 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Brake companies say a lot of stuff... lol I don't trust comments made by themselves who sells their own products.

Honda for example, I have been inside nearly 4-5 big brake Hondas... Most of these kits say they work wonderful with the stock MC... yeah right, not even close. On one car in particular, I had to drop the brake pedal about 3-4 inches of travel before the brakes react. It works, but it does not have a correct brake feel and reaction. On all the other big brake kits using stock MC's, none of them worked out. None of them was able to retain stock brake feel and firmness.

On the Camry, I don't see it being any different. The pistons are larger, holds more capacity, larger calipers, etc... It doesn't take a genius to guess what the end result would be.
IMO - Experience is worth it's weight in gold. As Tony eluded to above, if you are looking to improve braking performance, one will likely need to upgrade the MC to take true advantage of the bigger hardware. Brake pedal feel is immensely important, just as suspension feedback is- having a soft brake pedal is not reassuring when you are a$$tearing around the track or roadways...yea they will look like a million bucks but you are better off experimenting with brake pad composition, getting some slotted/coated rotors and slap on some steel braided brake lines. Lastly, suspension is vastly overlooked for positive, accurate, controlled braking. The badest, meanest brakes in the world on your Camry would perform huge percentage gains in stopping distances with a firmer, balanced suspension components working in tandem. In short, they will look great but will they really yield the improvement to justify the cost. Someone try to do some measurements with a buddy b/4 brake upgrade and after brake upgrade to see if the benefit is really there. Though this would tough to since probably none of us work for MotorTrend or have hours to spare. If you have the cash to drop just on looks...make sure we all can see some pics. Peace~
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I dunno, but i need something, maybe someone can refer me to some good brake pads. I bought a new set in like august/sept. and need some new pads already.
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Old 02-23-2005, 02:32 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I am going to take my camry to Rotora late monday night and they will do a test fitting for the Gen 3 Brakes. I will let you know what goes on.
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:08 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Old 02-23-2005, 04:39 PM   #39 (permalink)
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hahahha... wanna pick me up from rotora? Or do you want to drive my civic and follow me to rotora?
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