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Old 05-13-2011, 07:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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3rd Generation Disable Recirc button

Any suggestions on how to disable the recirc button? Or how to make the default 'off' instead of 'on' when not using the a/c in warm weather? I have recently purchased an 06 Avalon Limited and love it except for this feature.
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Old 05-13-2011, 08:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This is one of the ~58 "customer preference parameters" the dealer can change for you with his scan tool. It is called "Air Inlet Mode" and the options are Auto and Manual. Auto is the default, meaning the system switches to recirculate when the A/C is turned on.
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Angry Dealer says can't be done!

Thanks, but Bob Wilson in Servie at Montrose Toyota in Akron says they cannot reprogram it to be manual. He also checked with his master mechanic. Any other suggestions or references I can give him?
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Old 05-15-2011, 08:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I can send you a scan of the document Toyota provides Dealers, containing the list of programmable options. Use the TN Private Message function to specify where or to what email address to send it.

The Technicians may be confused about exactly what you are asking for. In my Avalon, when you first start the car on a hot day with the climate control set to "AUTO", it automatically switches to recirculate until the cabin cools down. Recirculate mode is equivalent to what used to be called "Max AC" on domestic cars. If I press the AC button to turn off the compressor, the system it stays in recirculate.

If I understand the factory description correctly, Manual air inlet option means the only way to turn on and off recirculate is to press the recirculate button.
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Wink Many Thanks!!

Armed with the pages you sent me from the Avalon repair manual, I took the car to Ganley Toyota where they reprogrammed the recirc button to manual at no charge! I had first called Montrose Toyota and Bob in Service said it could not be done and all I had was 'internet junk'.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to send the manual! I'm really happy with my Avalon.
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I'm amazed they did it without a service charge. I think we know where you'll be shopping for your next Toyota vehicle.
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I'm amazed they did it without a service charge. I think we know where you'll be shopping for your next Toyota vehicle.
It's hilarious to hear that the dealership doesn't have all the answers and the so called "internet junk"? I feel this site has informed many Toyota owners as well as other auto sites, that there's someone other than the dealership to talk with. Great posting!
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It's hilarious to hear that the dealership doesn't have all the answers and the so called "internet junk"? I feel this site has informed many Toyota owners as well as other auto sites, that there's someone other than the dealership to talk with. Great posting!
Honestly, I think most owners here has better knowledge on their cars then some sales and service guys.
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It's hilarious to hear that the dealership doesn't have all the answers and the so called "internet junk"? I feel this site has informed many Toyota owners as well as other auto sites, that there's someone other than the dealership to talk with. Great posting!
I agree. Thanks to this forum I found out about the transmission reflash TSB. When I spoke to the service advisor, he had never heard of it nor had any of the other advisors. When I gave him the TSB number he was able to find it. When he asked how I learned about it I answered, "Toyota Nation, Baby!"
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Any suggestions on how to disable the recirc button? Or how to make the default 'off' instead of 'on' when not using the a/c in warm weather? I have recently purchased an 06 Avalon Limited and love it except for this feature.
Every so slightly off-topic from your original question, but that has been at least partially answered already, so FYI here is the text of a letter I sent to Toyota regarding this issue. I received the standard boilerplate reply saying "there is no defect". Because of the distraction that this issue presents, it seems to me that this is a lawsuit waiting to happen for Toyota, but I'm not an attorney, so what would I know...

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This e-mail details a safety hazard that has been incorporated into the climate control system of the Sienna. Toyota removed the driver's ability to control whether or not air is recirculated within the cabin of the vehicle, and this has led to a variety of driver distraction scenarios and unnecessary risks posed to some drivers and passengers with certain medical conditions. On earlier model years, if the driver wished to have air recirculated in the cabin of the vehicle, it was a simple matter of pushing the “Recirc” button on the climate control console, but this doesn't function manually anymore, as the system overrides to produce its own preferred air supply configuration (and what this almost always seems to mean is an absolute refusal to recirculate air). In thirty years of driving, this automatic override is the single most distracting feature I've ever seen installed in any vehicle, and here are a couple of reasons how and why:

(1) Drivers and passengers with asthma need to be able to control their air configuration in order to minimize the triggering of respiratory distress while the car is in motion. I don't have asthma, but I have carried passengers who do, and it is absolutely essential that roadway pollutants including combustion products from heavily-smoking vehicles in the roadway, as well as volatile organic compounds from environmental pollution be excluded from the cabin to the extent possible. I live and drive in Houston, Texas, which is home to the world's largest petrochemical and petroleum refining infrastructure. Certain areas of town can expose motorists to levels of reactive airborne chemicals that do pose an immediate risk to asthmatics. With my previous 1999 Sienna, I simply kept the cabin air recirculating 100% of the time, to minimize air pollution intrusion, but my 2011 Sienna doesn't offer this option. I can't tell you how many times I've become distracted because I've had to fiddle with the climate control system in order to achieve as much recirculation as the system will permit. Sometimes this means literally turning my attention away from the roadway every 60 seconds to re-press the Recirc button to at least achieve some degree of air recirculation.

(2) Even if neither driver nor passengers have asthma, being assaulted with combustion products from oil-burning vehicles in urban roadways can be a significant distraction, especially if family members are not accustomed to that because the principal driver usually keeps air recirculating 100% of the time. Upon smelling smoke inside the cabin of the car, the driver thinks, “Is that MY car that is burning?!” and frantically starts searching the vehicle for a potential cause, again, not paying maximum attention to the roadway in the process. Children start howling in the backseat: “Mommy, please get rid of that horrible stink!!” Once again, instead of paying maximum attention to the roadway, the driver is left trying to find ways to compensate for a climate control system that should have remained under the driver’s direct control in the first place.
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I agree. Thanks to this forum I found out about the transmission reflash TSB. When I spoke to the service advisor, he had never heard of it nor had any of the other advisors. When I gave him the TSB number he was able to find it. When he asked how I learned about it I answered, "Toyota Nation, Baby!"

I understand this "reflash TSB" goes back to the 05 Avalon? Don't ever buy the first production model of ANY car. My Honda, Nissan and BMW service techs and service advisor buddies told me that from their experience. Overall, my Avalon has performed well, but this transmission has me concerned. All these postings are great and a to all the service confusers that don't take the time to research their TSB or LISTEN to their customers. Great job Tom in Tacoma and the previous postings on the recirc button...
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