I've been changing my own oil on my 08 Avalon (so my teenager knows how) and have a question. I have used the Fram TG9972 the past few changes. This time the Fram was sold out so I got a Purolator PureOne PL25608. My question is this, the Puro filter is a much smaller diameter than the fram. The Fram seemed to "fill up" the diameter of the filter housing and the Puro doesn't even come close. I realize both filters are centered in the housing by the metal pole. Am I losing filtering ability by cutting down on the amount of pleat I expose the oil to??? I was shocked that the Outer Diameter was so different. Could I have gotten the wrong filter in the right box??? (the height was correct)
Thanks!
Something isnt right. I just changed my oil tonight actually. Purolators were on sale at farm and fleet so I grabbed four of them. I had a fram in there prior to the change. The height and diameter of all 4 purolators are exactly the same as the fram.
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Well, the listed Outer Diameter of the filters are different on the websites. Fram lists a 2.76" OD and Purolator list 2.46"OD. I'm going to go down to the parts store and see if maybe somebody switched filters in boxes just to be a jerk. Not too big a deal to drain out the clean oil and change the filter and put the same oil back in (plus a little), is it?
I purchased a Bosch oil filter a few weeks ago and I too was concerned about the size of the oil filter compared to the original Toyota filter. After doing some research I decided to still use it anyways but with some reservation.
After reading this thread, I decided to head to the auto parts store and look at the Purolator filter. That filter is about the same size as the Bosch filter that I installed in my car. I spoke to the store clerk about the diameter differences between certain name brand oil filters. So, we compared different name brand oil filters he had in stock. It seemed that the Purolator was the smallest in diameter but, he also found in the oil filter reference manual stating that the oil filter dimensions may not match the OEM size.
Either way, I’m removing the Bosch filter and replacing it with the Toyota filter to be on the safe side. I just don’t feel comfortable running these smaller oil filters in my car.
By coincidence, I had my last dealer oil change receipt in front of me from last week when I saw your post. Although I have a 2GR-FE 3.5L V6 Camry, the part should be the same and my receipt matches the 04152-YZZA1 part number. Independent of that, just in case, I bought an oil filter at the parts department asking for it by vehicle, not by part number and the part on the red and white Toyota Box matches the same number.
[Price at all three Toyota dealers at which my car has been serviced from Sept 2008 to Aug 2011 - always the same: $5.41.]
In any event, since Toyota went to that goofball eco-friendly cartridge type filter instead of the cannister type ...... I would NEVER fool around with an after market oil filter. Further, I would never try and perform that job myself. It not only takes $50 of new tools to do it right, but if you mess up the procedure ..... which is nothing like the good old "spin on" oil filters, and you spring an oil leak ..... the repair bill for engine damage could be on you, the owner.
Last edited by Paul3637; 09-07-2011 at 10:35 PM.
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^Walmart sells a filter wrench that fits. I actually like the canister filter, less mess. I have done multiple oil changes on the 07 and never have to clean oil spills afterwards. Just make sure you torque the canister and drain bolt to specs, or you'll have problems. My dealer has the filter for the 07 and 99 for the same price, $3.89.
>>>In any event, since Toyota went to that goofball eco-friendly cartridge type filter instead of the cannister type ...... I would NEVER fool around with an after market oil filter. Further, I would never try and perform that job myself. It not only takes $50 of new tools to do it right, but if you mess up the procedure ..... which is nothing like the good old "spin on" oil filters, and you spring an oil leak ..... the repair bill for engine damage could be on you, the owner.<<<
Paul, well, I for one am all for eco-friendly. I didn't have to buy any new tools to do the change. My son gets to see something boys aren't learning anymore. The "procedure" is MUCH less messy than the spin on filters and I haven't sprung a leak yet.
My question was about cartridge diameter.
In any event, since Toyota went to that goofball eco-friendly cartridge type filter instead of the cannister type ...... I would NEVER fool around with an after market oil filter. Further, I would never try and perform that job myself. It not only takes $50 of new tools to do it right, but if you mess up the procedure ..... which is nothing like the good old "spin on" oil filters, and you spring an oil leak ..... the repair bill for engine damage could be on you, the owner.
Thats such nonsense I can barely read it. Changing your own oil is the most basic and simple procedure a do-it-yourselfer can do. The cartridge filter is virtually mess free and stupid simple to change. It takes a 14mm wrench for the drain pan and a socket wrench to take the cartridge out, not exactly rocket science or even close to $50 worth of tools.
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Last edited by boosted-fc3s; 09-07-2011 at 10:44 PM.
Paul, well, I for one am all for eco-friendly. I didn't have to buy any new tools to do the change. My son gets to see something boys aren't learning anymore. The "procedure" is MUCH less messy than the spin on filters and I haven't sprung a leak yet.
My question was about cartridge diameter.
Thanks anyway and have a great day!
Your Uncle Buddha
I taught my son how to change oil, too. It's great father son time anyway. My real point was, it is probably best to stick with OEM filter. Both my son and daughter know one thing for sure .... always properly maintain your vehicles - even if you have someone else do it for you.
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Thats such nonsense I can barely read it. Changing your own oil is the most basic and simple procedure a do-it-yourselfer can do. The cartridge filter is virtually mess free and stupid simple to change. It takes a 14mm wrench for the drain pan and a socket wrench to take the cartridge out, not exactly rocket science or even close to $50 worth of tools.
I used to do my own tune ups, oil changes, and brakes, too. Cars are too hard and complex to work on anymore for me. Besides, I live 10 minutes from the beach and I'd rather spend my spare time there. If DIY on your cars is your hobby, more power to you --- whatever floats your boat !!!! Also, the most easy and money saving thing a DIY guy can do is change your own cabin filter which takes five minutes ...... which I did once after reading a "how to" post somewhere in the toyotanation forums.
DIY oil change really isn't for eveyone
Especially not for most Avalon owners. Why? Because it takes time and most owners are "Older folks" (like myself). Asked me to jack up the car? go under? mess with the oil? recycle? I rather spend the $50 and have my nice afternoon on the golf court
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We all have our preferences, but if you do have your Avalon oil/filter changed by someone else - do pull over immediately after leaving the shop - stop car - let settle for a few mins and check oil level. No - it may not be at the full mark - but the idea here is to see if they even came close to filling to the level it's supposed to be at. It would scare some if they had any idea how many oil changes are botched daily at dealers, indy shops; quik lubes. Check for leaks underneath as well. From a vantage point - I've watched dealer techs do oil changes on Avalons and never bother to remove/change oil filter. This goes on in a lot of shops and not just on Avalons.
On the Avalon - be certain to lube the new o-ring(larger one) that goes around the cannister body then secure in place AND spin the cartridge on straight by hand slowly. Forget about removing the small plug at the bottom(where the smaller gasket goes) to insert the plastic tube. Simply remove the entire body and let lay in oil drain pan 'til it cools off.
I've been thru this 30 something times on my '06 Avalon. Nothing to it.
From a vantage point - I've watched dealer techs do oil changes on Avalons and never bother to remove/change oil filter. This goes on in a lot of shops and not just on Avalons.
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