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Old 10-24-2002, 01:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Different Definitions of Drift

I've noticed over time and time again, Drifting is often the subject of semantics. ITs commonly used in racing terminology, but gets misconstrued all the time. therefore, i'd like to calrify the definitons of drift.

Drift as used by traditional road racers: often reffered to as four wheel drift. occurs when tail end gets a little side ways and the car slides on all fours. sustained for only a very short period of time through the apex. (ie: Jaun Montoya, SCCA road racing, etc.)

Drift as used by rally enthusiasts: car slides completly sideways through mud, gravel, snow and very little on tarmac in order to carry speed through out turns. Length of slide varys. (ie:any rally driver)

Drift as used by laymen: tailslide. happens when the tail gets squigily. the laymen considers it a drift, when in reality its just a powerslide.
length of slide...very, very short (ie:super torquey muscle car)

Drift as used by road racers on skid pad: getting completely sideways in the turn and sustaining the slide for a lengthy period of time. However, according to this group, drifting like this can only be done on tarmac that is wet.
length of slide, very long. (ie: automobile journalists testing corvette on skid pad)

Drift as used by 'drifters', Japanese style: inducing the car completly sideways in turns, switch backs, on straights on a flat or hilly surface for an extremely long period. wet surface is not necessary and style is everything. Often cars will sport damaged bodies, worn tires and shatered axels which is fashionably accepted.
length of slide, extremely long with crazy style.(ie: komatsu aka Drifter X of Signal)

Drift as used by FF guys: ummm...next.

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So basicly any style of racing that does not involve slowing down to apex a corner. Now the question is which one would actually post a better lap time, given that both drivers were extreme professionals?
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depends on the surface of the road, and the corner.

you'd be crazy to say that using the traditional method (ie slow down, clip apex, no slide) would be faster in terrain with low levels of grip.
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of course... no rally driver would benifit from slowing down to take a corner proporly.
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lots of racers slow down for the apex of the corner and still "drift", in the traditional road racer sense
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to quote Carroll smith, editor in chief of the tech articles in racecar engineering magazine,

"The days of visible power oversteer in a dedicated race-track, is over."

he is of course, referring to ways to take a corner full out at the quickest time possible.
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agreed. glad someone was willing to clear that up. nicely put nick.

technology in grip has increased to the point where drifting to get faster times is obsolete, at least so i've been told. at least in professional races. no f1 car will pull out drift. oh well.
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Well grip-racing is generally faster than drifting, but heck its boring to watch ;P Which would you watch more, f1 or WRC? I'd go for the latter, theres no competition in F1 anymore. You can tell what the score would be in the next race: 1.schumacher,2.barichello,3.montoya ;P F1 is getting to be like nascar, nothing ever happens in the race.
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Well grip-racing is generally faster than drifting, but heck its boring to watch ;P Which would you watch more, f1 or WRC? I'd go for the latter, theres no competition in F1 anymore. You can tell what the score would be in the next race: 1.schumacher,2.barichello,3.montoya ;P F1 is getting to be like nascar, nothing ever happens in the race.
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Well grip-racing is generally faster than drifting, but heck its boring to watch ;P Which would you watch more, f1 or WRC? I'd go for the latter, theres no competition in F1 anymore. You can tell what the score would be in the next race: 1.schumacher,2.barichello,3.montoya ;P F1 is getting to be like nascar, nothing ever happens in the race.
i second that..

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read this week's autosport magazine and see the rules changes they are proposing.

it's jokez
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Yeah, no kidding. Heck, F1 used to be so good in the past, but its just gotten to be one big money game. Ferrari decides all the rules, they're practically untouchable for their rule infractions. Jeez...
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I would still rather watch C.A.R.T. I love those turbo'd little carts. I have always wanted to race in pro cart. I have to actually get into a good small cart league.
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Well grip-racing is generally faster than drifting, but heck its boring to watch ;P Which would you watch more, f1 or WRC? I'd go for the latter, theres no competition in F1 anymore. You can tell what the score would be in the next race: 1.schumacher,2.barichello,3.montoya ;P F1 is getting to be like nascar, nothing ever happens in the race.
Well said, there's nothing out there like WRC at the moment, the thing that's best about it is that everybody has a chance, it all depends on who's driving is better and who can keep their concentration more.

WRC is the best, period.
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In a couple vids I watched Keiichi Tsuchiya and a couple other guys described that it's just being able to slide through corners consecutively... And I say front wheel drives can drift only because the pro's are the ones saying that they do. <shrugs>

<yay for reviving the dead!> good timing with the F&F3 topic going about
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