Best HP #s or 1/4 Times for a 3SGTE Corolla? - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

IPSjeff · 10-11-2005, 01:06 PM

Just curious what the fastest 3SGTE Swapped corolla is or anyones heard of? I know its a fairly popular swap so just trying to see how quick the cars are getting. Oh, and on the faster cars, what turbo/manifold set-up is most widely used? Thanks,
Jeff

ST185 · 10-11-2005, 01:57 PM

Fensport Corolla.
200.4 mph.
10.47 in 1/4
GT35/42
Data might be a bit outdate.

IPSjeff · 10-11-2005, 02:45 PM

Is that RWD? I guess i should have stipulated FWD but thanks for the #s nonetheless...

Jeff

***REN69*** · 10-11-2005, 04:56 PM

Actually I think that's AWD.. not sure, not too many 3SGTE Corollas running around of any Generations. I know there was an AE92 sedan with a 3SGTE swap in Toronto that was very fast but I'm not sure if the man ever did any times with it as I think he wrote it off.

VooDoo · 10-11-2005, 07:00 PM

high 13s to low 14s back here... with crappy tires.

SpeedballTrix · 10-11-2005, 08:47 PM

Well, if we're talking completely unrestricted then we can hypothesise on what the maximum achievable numbers would be for a 3S-GTE powered FWD Corolla based on other available data.

F.Ex: The fastest FWD vehicle that I know of is Christian Rado's 9 second Integra.
It has ~800fwhp pulling ~2000lbs.

So the question is: Can you build a 3S-GTE powered FWD Corolla with those specs?
Well, if you start with an AE92 you can certainly get down to that weight with a strict race-only diet.
So how about the power? Is the 3S-GTE capable of making ~900hp?
The answer is definately yes.
Here are a few examples that I came up with in about 12 seconds:
(Im sure I could find more if I put in the effort)

http://www.bobnorwood.com/The%20Fast...0in%20Utah.htm
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t9691.html
http://kaferjca0.tripod.com/3sgteinfo.htm

So there you have it.
We could get ourselves an AE92, trim it down to ~2000lbs and drop in a 900bhp 3S-GTE.
Sorting the suspension is just a matter of time and money.
Bingo, a 9 second FWD 3S-GTE powered Corolla (in theory).
Now, whos got the thousands and thousands of dollars to build it?

VooDoo · 10-12-2005, 10:55 AM

assuming you could also solve the wheelspin issue...
and also making the car corner at speed. unless all you plan to do is drive in a straight line,

albertmdh · 10-12-2005, 11:55 AM

I think that was implied in the 9 second statement. That would be one hell of a sleeper with a stock looking AE92 sedan... someone do it.

SpeedballTrix · 10-12-2005, 01:59 PM

^^^ Aye.

And if you can sovle the wheelspin issue on an Integra, you can solve it on a Corolla.

Now, if you wanted a street sleeper, obviously you arent touching 9 seconds considering that the biggest rims you can get away with are like 15s, maybe 16s, and still have a stock look. You could still get the weight down pretty far for a street car, so that's not really an issue. You could also still probably make a good 500hp (Look at Hyde. He's making 500hp and could still be a street driven car.) or more out of a street-tuned 3S-GTE. Granted it wouldn't be smooth by any means running at least 20psi, but it would be drivable.

With some REALLY nice tires mounted on 16" rims, a full suspension (doesn't hurt the stock look as long you dont go crazy with the ride height), and a built drivetrain Im betting you could get an AE92 into the low 11s. It would take a lot of money, but hey, were talking pure theory here anyways =P

aaron7 · 10-12-2005, 03:04 PM

I was just wondering if anyone had done this swap. Sounds like a great idea! Why isn't it more common?

SpeedballTrix · 10-12-2005, 03:09 PM

3S into a Corolla?
It's been done many times.
It's common enough that you can do it in video games =P
Into an AE92? I dont know for certain, but I would bet it's been done.
It is certainly possible.

aaron7 · 10-12-2005, 03:15 PM

Seems like the Silvertop/Blacktop 4age are most common swaps. Must be the higher price of the 3gste that keeps people away, or the desire for 5 valves lol

SpeedballTrix · 10-12-2005, 06:54 PM

Well, yeah.
A 4A swap is going to be not only substantially easier (which means you can do it yourself and save a bunch on labor) but also substantially cheaper.
a 20v motor, in my opinion, is a cooler swap to do.
But if power is what you're after, you just cant beat the 3S.

Also, just to add to the discussion on just how strong a 3S can be, consider the fact that the JGTC Supras swapped out their powerful and highly covetted 2JZ motors for 3S-GTEs.
So 3Ss aren't just about making power, they're about getting it where it needs to be reliably and efficiently.

toyrolla · 10-13-2005, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedballTrix

F.Ex: The fastest FWD vehicle that I know of is Christian Rado's 9 second Integra.
It has ~800fwhp pulling ~2000lbs.

HKS Drag Celica with a 3S-GTE ran 9.35ET 10 years ago compared to Rado's fastest ET of 9.4 in his Integra.

JGTC Supras chose the 3S-GTE because they were lighter in weight than the 2JZ and gave the car closer to a 50/50 weight distribution. Now almost all JGTC Supras are running 3UZ engines now.

Here's a FWD AE82 Corolla (Corolla F/X) with a 3SGTE.
The engine came from a ST185 Celica.

http://www.turbocorolla.com/cars/michaelz.htm

Pic:

statx · 10-14-2005, 10:41 AM

I'll do it too my o3' rolla. just wait a year. sleeper mmm