4agze into a 95' Prizm - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

RadRacer3 · 10-25-2005, 04:16 PM

Hello Cusinz'

My 95' Prizm decided to puke a rod out of the block a couple months back (7AFE - 138,000 miles). This was a result of a spun bearing. The body and interior is in very good condition, I repainted the car about 2 years ago. I can't justify parting with a perfectly good car, hence I'm making it my project car. I have a couple questions that I was unable to find concrete information on, and I would like to resolve these questions before I start buying parts.

My project plan is as follows:
4agze into AE101 Chassis
Haltech E6X ECM
Rear Disk brakes from Corolla GTS
Wilwoods on all 4's
Fully Adjustable Suspension (Camber, Caster, Toe, Ride Height, Damp Rates)
(Custom built of'course

)
TD04-13G Turbo to twin charge the 4agze

... but first is first, get the engine installed

I have a couple questions that I wasn't able to find solid information on, I would appreciate any help.

Engine:
*The 4agze, will it mount right into the AE101 chassis using the stock engine mounts?

*Do I need ensure to buy a 4agze from a FWD levin?
*Will the AE-92 4agze (from a corolla GTS) work as a FWD in the AE101?

Tranny:
*I believe that the 95' Prism tranny is a C52, will my cv axles be compatible with the tranny from a 4agze (c50 or c52?)? Are the splines the same?

I am not yet worried about axle failure, just want to get'er running to start with so I can move it around easily.

Much obliged for any information !!

I will use this forum to track progress on the prism, including pictures, problems and solutions.

***REN69*** · 10-25-2005, 08:07 PM

*Yes

*Yes and No, you can buy a GZE from a Levin or Trueno GTZ with transmission and it will drop right in OR you can buy a GZE from an MR2 but you'll have to source out a FWD GZE transmission
*AE92s are FWD too so Yes (BTW you mean Corolla Levin or Sprinter Trueno "GTZ")

*No, you need the GTZ Levin or Trueno axles as they're shorter.

RadRacer3 · 10-25-2005, 08:57 PM

Ren69, Thanks for the info.

Lemme get this straight...
From what you said then, the AE101-4agze and AE92-4agze will bolt right in granted I have the tranny from a FWD (Either Corolla Levin or Trueno GTS).

This then means a AE86?-4agze early model MR2 would not be a good choice and I should sport for a later model?

Now because the 4AGZE and 7AFE are both "A" blocks, does this mean my tranny from the 7afe will bolt on? If I can use my tranny, then I would think I can use my axles right?

Could you elaborate on the length of the Axles? If I use the shorter axles, won't this cause problems with suspension alignment? Will I need to make hub adapters to makeup for the shorter axles?

toyotaspeed90 · 10-26-2005, 12:40 PM

ok.... some quick correct answers....

the axles aren't shorter..... however, the c series tranny axles are about 1/2 the diamter, including the inner spline size (the outer is the same.... strangely enough).

also, the clutches, flywheels, and pressure plates between a C and E series aren't the same..... the spline size on the input shaft is quite a bit bigger on the E series

the mounts aren't identical, but it can be made to work (E series trannies have a shorter rear mount and no bottom mount, and the driver side mount is slightly different)

why twincharge? it's more of a "look what i can do" then an actual performance gain.

***REN69*** · 10-26-2005, 05:20 PM

I knew there was something to do with the shafts being smaller or shorter. As for mating the 4AGZE to the 7AFE C52 transmission, it's been done now that I think about it, Aaron aka 4AaronGE and his brother Eric have done it with their Corolla with some modification (AW11 MR2 flywheel, upgraded clutch) the transmission still lives, but its still preferred to use the E series transmission. Check out his site. http://ckp.netfirms.com/CTNT_MOD_ENG.htm

RadRacer3 · 10-26-2005, 09:04 PM

From what I've gathered... if I buy a 4agze with a FWD (AE101, AE92), then it is a c-series? but if its from a MR2 RWD then its an E-Series... Correct???

I guess my main issue is time, right now I have the tools available to pretty much make anything work, such as fabricating some custom engine mounts etc..., but in less than a month I start a new job somewhere else and I won't have quite the same resources.

If I can get a direct bolt in 4agze with capatable mounts and a tranny that accepts my OEM axles, I would be very happy. This way I can drop the motor in now with at most minor modifications and get started on wiring.

The main question I think then best to ask ya'll is: when I order the engine/tranny from either a jdm distributer or ebay, what do I need to ask to make sure I get a FWD 4agze? (ie. model #'s, year, Chaissis Codes, Tranny Codes)

To answer your question Toyotaspeed90, your right, I am fully aware that a big-Arsh turbo will only slightly effect performance. (Mainly Peak Power at High REVS). In which case, being that its a FWD, I doubt that will ever hook up with out slipping the tires.I'm more so doing it to just see what happens and the fact I got a turbo just laying around itching to be used. Besides, c'mon, if your gonna mod a geo might as well go big

!!!!

Again, thanks for the info

toyotaspeed90 · 10-27-2005, 01:46 AM

no, all 4agze's fwd or rwd came with E series trannies.......

RadRacer3 · 10-27-2005, 05:07 PM

Ok, I'm straight now!
Thanks for all the help

I'll update this thread as progress is made.

I think for now, I'll swap on my c-52 tranny from the 7afe for convince (replace the clutch, flywheel, etc...) Then if or when I blow it up, I put the E-series back on and either find or make axles.

aaron7 · 11-02-2005, 10:28 AM

look up DR Tweak here on the forums or at http://www.phoenixtuning.com/

He'll be able to help with any questions, as Toyota swaps are what he does!

redgtxdi · 11-02-2005, 01:14 PM

And, just out of curiosity.........how many HP gain are we talkin' about goin' from the 7AFE to 4AGZE???? Isn't that goin' from a standard 1.8L to a hi compression headed 1.6L????

(I'm only guessin' here so forgive my ignorance IIW)

And what about a turbo???? Yikes!!! Poor little motor........ he he he!

toyotaspeed90 · 11-02-2005, 01:23 PM

it really depends on the 4agze that you get..... there were 3 basic motors available from toyota, however 1/2 the ones that get cut out of cars in japan have been modified (i think like 3 or 4 of the motors in our groupbuy, including mine, weren't 100% stock).

bigport 4agze (US)
8.0:1
7psi boost
~140hp

bigport 4agze (Japan)
8.0:1
10psi boost
~160hp

smallport 4agze (Japan)
8.9:1
10psi boost
~170hp

these, of course, are figures at the crank and possibly under-rated. I have an ae101 gze (the last one) in my 87 mr2 running on a standalone EMS.... i'm assuming i'm making around 150whp and 150wtq.... however, my ae92 with a smallport 4age swap doesn't stand a chance from the get go...... and the ae92 can take most corolla's

toyotaspeed90 · 11-02-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaron7

look up DR Tweak here on the forums or at http://www.phoenixtuning.com/

He'll be able to help with any questions, as Toyota swaps are what he does!

you can ask him or I..... i might have a little more first hand experience with a 4agze, though.... him and I exhcange info from time to time via e-mails

aaron7 · 11-02-2005, 01:26 PM

Quote:

and the ae92 can take most corolla's

Uhhhh... what?

toyotaspeed90 · 11-02-2005, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaron7

Uhhhh... what?

MY ae92...... it gives most mr2's a run for their money as well (not including a mk1 s/c or mk2 turbo, of course)... and that does include in the corners!

aaron7 · 11-02-2005, 02:12 PM

Ohhh ok. We'll have to race

(my Mr2 against you... my SR5 is a dog :p