ZZE110 Turbo or Supercharge?

[Telepete]

I am having a problem. Here's my story, every thursday morning on my way into school, this *$%^@# in a Mazda MX-3 BLOWS past me when I get onto the highway. I really want to know if the 1ZZFE can be properly supercharged or turbocharged so I can put an end to all this insanity. I heard that it can take more turbo boost than a 2ZZGE . Is this true? and I also heard that the TRD 1ZZFE supercharger won't fit in my engine compartment. Is this true? I don't really have the funds for a swap and would prefer a supercharger over a turbo. HELP ME PLEASE I NEED TO KEEP MY WEIRD MALE PRIDE.

[REN69]

Let me guess.. your car is automatic. Get a chill pill and a beer, you'll calm down.

TRD superchargers have been fitted to all 1ZZFE powered cars, you just have to do a little bit of custom work but it will go.

You don't have the funds for a swap you say? but you're considering a Supercharger or Turbo, what do you think an SC or turbo cost?? probably about the same as a swap.

[Telepete]

Haha.... aren't you just a little comedian.

5 spd manual. So you guessed wrong.

But rather than starting an argument now that I have your attention you seem to be suggesting a swap. Well its more than an issue of money. I want the 4AGE 20v Silvertop. But have no way of obtaining one. Also I would want to do the work myself. I don't want to pay an arm and leg in labor.

So I was concidering keeping my 1ZZFE and just supercharging it. This predicament brings me here.

Now do you have any real suggestions for an SC kit or would you like to continue trying to insult me?

[Telepete]

As a former Initial D junkie I agree. I looked at TRD struts and Eibach springs with TRD front sway bar. Then I was going to find myself a nice short throw shifter.

And now I am looking back into that option but having an FF car is sort of deterring.

Plus I'd rather not have to hammer out my hood to look like a crappy Eagle Talon.

[epyon22]

one question if your willing to do a swap for a 4age 20v...why?? the 1ZZFE puts out as much hp as the 20v you will have to do more work just to get the 20v to where you want it to be to beat that mx-3

[Telepete]

I was told that a 20v 4AGE puts out 160hp silvertop and 165hp blacktop. My 1ZZFE although I love the thing, only puts out something like 126hp.

Correct me if I am wrong.

And the reason I would put it in over a 180hp 2ZZGE is so I could say "hey look, 20 valves".

[REN69]

20V would involve custom mounts on your car I believe.. your best bet would be a 2ZZGE actually, I would actually prefer to do a 2ZZGE than a 20V.

Your car should be able to keep up with the MX3, specially if its a 4cyl version.. maybe the problem is not the motor.. maybe its the driver.

[Flashmn]

I was told that a 20v 4AGE puts out 160hp silvertop and 165hp blacktop. My 1ZZFE although I love the thing, only puts out something like 126hp.

130ish actual horsepower.

However, I'd rather not have a 20V GE when I could have a 1ZZ-FE or a 2ZZ-GE, much newer and better engines anyways. You should upgrade, not downgrade.... but a custom SC installation is one option.

[Telepete]

Originally Posted by REN69

Your car should be able to keep up with the MX3, specially if its a 4cyl version.. maybe the problem is not the motor.. maybe its the driver.

Well, maybe it is the driver. But being called a bad driver by someone who stay's up till 3AM to attempt insulting people on a toyota forum does not really bother me.

Thanks for the advice fellas.

[silver04rollas]

2ZZ GE can handle boost with power around 250 whp (over 300 at the crank) and 7 psi of boost with good reliability and stock internals, 11:5:1 compression and transmission, if done properly. There is a turbo Corolla XRS that is putting down 230 whp @ 5.5 psi of boost with stock internals and transmission and could possibly run mid 13s ( no official dynos yet).

[micro214_kp61]

Telepete... if you want boost, go with a turbo. trust me, possibilities are endless! try researching a DIY kit. here's a good website... www.homemadeturbo.com

btw, turbocharging the FE would be better. that head is designed for quicker response and better torque. the GE is more on a high rev range.

FYI: you guys actually think that the 2ZZGE would be better than the 20V for boost.. you must be joking, i'll pick a cast iron block over all aluminum anyday!

[JoeBenston]

up grade intake,Ignition,Exhaust,fuel delivery then go with forced induction(supercharger will give you power as soon as you start).

[silver04rollas]

Like I said before, 7 psi of boost and around 250 whp is not a problem for 2ZZ GE with stock internals if properly installed with good components. There are a few Celica GTS who have been turboéd and have been running around perfectly fine for a while. The Blitz supercharger 2ZZ kit allows 7 psi of boost with 220 whp and has been reliable (only thing is that it is too expensive) being sold in Japan for many years, even the Team Toyota Europe Corolla T Sport Compressor has a supercharger that runs fine with 8 psi of boost and 225 hp@8000 rpm (around 200 whp) at the crank. All of it factory installed under warranty.

p.s. The only way one can blow the motor with turbo around 7 psi of boost is through misshifting at 8400 rpm.

Originally Posted by Evil Corolla S

2zzge are not good engines to turbo, their stock compression is way too high for reliable boost. That corolla you speak of probably wont last too long, all the 2zzge turbo's ive heard of had major problems, like the motor has blown.