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freakinbox · 11-21-2005, 10:26 PM

Alright I decided not to buy that ae86, most likely not anyways since they won't let me take it to a mechanic. My mom and a friend suggested just taking the $5000 and put it into my ae92.

First thing that comes to mine for me are the engine options
I was thinking 4age 20 valve, but not sure which one since I don't know alot about them and their differences (other than power). I was thinking silver top though because someone said it has stronger internals, and how I drive that should help a little lol. Plus giving me the black top's power? I would die! LOL
But then that brings me to wonder how hard the swap would be. Or even the list of parts I would need for my car for the engine to work, figured it's a good place to ask since I know people here have done it, some more than once!

I went through all the other engines in my head and I don't want to turbo my 4af, or get the 4agze since I would prefer a N/A engine. But I am not sure if I should get a 4age and put some money into it or get the 20 valve... what sounds better? I happened to really like the sound of the 4age that ae86 has. Much deeper than my cars. lol I already know which one has more power.

another question that I was wondering is what is the best muffler I could buy for my car. I don't want to buy one that sounds like CRAP! And again I figure you guys will have a few suggestions here also for me

I'll end the questions here and add more in later on in the thread

Thanks!

punter · 11-21-2005, 11:50 PM

What do you actually want, if your going to use a stock motor the 20v is better, If your going to spend some money on the motor (ie. cams, pistons, headwork) then a 16v would be better.

With regards to which 20v, theres not atcually that much difference. The main difference between them is the rods, much stronger in the silvertop. but if your staying n/a blacktop will be fine.

If it was me i would buy the 86, but hey its your money.

***REN69*** · 11-22-2005, 01:39 AM

I suggest you take $5000 look for a GTS and do it up.. you'll be better off with the GTS than the SR5, trust me.

As long as they're straight-thru, all mufflers will sound like crap on an AE92.

toyotaspeed90 · 11-22-2005, 02:33 AM

i keep saying this but nobody listens

if i had your car...... i wouldn't do just a regular 4age swap. Any idiot (like me) can do it and on YOUR car it would be more difficult.... why? because you have a low pressure fuel pump, a fuel tank that won't directly fit an EFI pump, and fuel lines that won't hold the pressure of EFI.... meaning? you would first need to convert your car to EFI (easily enough done, parts can be found at junkyards... just need to find a 90-91 ae92 coupe.... sr5 or gts)

however...... I would go the route of setting up the 4age on carbs. look around, see how others do it. could be interesting.

also, silvertop 20V's usually don't see much over 120whp (i feel like a broken record saying this) here in the states in fairly stock form. that's a whopping ~10whp gain over a 16V smallport

Flashmn · 11-22-2005, 08:33 AM

if I had 5000 bucks for mods on my car, I'd go with a 2ZZ-GE + turbocharger mod or a 3S-GTE swap.

freakinbox · 11-22-2005, 10:28 AM

I want to stay N/A though Flashmn. I am also hoping to get a JDM engine, not the North American one.
I also know I have to change the fuel pump, fuel line's for a fuel injected engine, thats not that big a deal. I was wondering more of all the small thinks I will need. I figure a rad? 4af rad probably isn't good enough for a 4age but it's other things, like I don't know.. ummm does the 20 valve need a ignition coil? the 4af doesn't have an external one (don't think so at least ^o)) even the various bottles and linkages in the engine compartment. I haven't a clue... And someone said to me that the sr5 suspension is no good for a 4age? I figure I need engine mounts also, not sure on the cost of those yet, and do they line up with the mounts on my car?

I thought of buying a gts but if I do that I am buying an ae86 not an ae92. A gts doesn't come with the suspension, rims, and so on of what I want anyways. So then I blow a good $2000 of the money just on the car and I only have another 3 for upgrads. Right now I have $5000 for anything I want! and besides I love my sr5 (first car).. like when I was talking about buying an ae86 I wasn't planning on selling my ae92 lol
Well right now I probably won't be doing anything to the engine

I might just go the carb route.. But I was likin the tvis idea :p that ae86 had it and I liked it

Flashmn · 11-22-2005, 10:51 AM

Ok, a JDM engine.. Howbout a Beams 3S-GE from an altezza. 210hp stock

freakinbox · 11-22-2005, 11:08 AM

but those are more of a pain to put in are they not?
I need something that I can push hard about 80% of the time I drive around. Since thats what I am doing to my 4af. Something that is reliable. I wanted to stay with a 4age engine so it's easier to put in. They are also cheaper.. I don't want to spend ALL the money on just the engine. Won't help if I can go faster if the rest of the car can't take the power...
210hp = me dead lol but would still be cool.
The engine choice will have alot to do with how hard I can drive it, how often, and money.

Flashmn · 11-22-2005, 11:22 AM

Well it is more difficult to put in than a 4A-GE, but it does give more reward. 210hp = just fine, I mean 120ish hp gets really boring after a while.

freakinbox · 11-22-2005, 12:02 PM

I guess... I am still finding 90 hp alright. Does what I need it to. 120ish would be just fine for me. BEsides I am going to have enough trouble getting a 20 valve into my car. never done an engine swap before :|

punter · 11-22-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by freakinbox

I guess... I am still finding 90 hp alright. Does what I need it to. 120ish would be just fine for me. BEsides I am going to have enough trouble getting a 20 valve into my car. never done an engine swap before :|

If your looking for easy use a rear drive 4age, 20v 4age's are the hardest to convert to rear drive as the dizzy will hit the firewall, you either have to relocate the dizzy (can buy kits but the're expensive, or build them if your clever), or alter the firewall to make it fit (reasonably easy job if you know how to weld & paint).

Also the comment on carbs, why bother? you would have to change the fuel pump anway a 4af pump would supply enough for a carb'd 4age.

freakinbox · 11-22-2005, 09:54 PM

btw my car is an ae92 so it's front wheel drive, meaning the 20 valve is perfect lol

TwinCamGuy · 11-22-2005, 11:54 PM

Just get a Levin frontclip with a GZE. I found mine for $1500 and it came with rear bumper and both doors with power windows and mirror.Heres my 88 SR5

freakinbox · 11-22-2005, 11:59 PM

I know a supercharged engine reacts alot like a N/A I still want to stay away from in. Want a N/A engine.
I was thinking either 4age smallport or the 20 valve.
But you would know! what were the things you had to replace in your sr5 to make that engine work?

I also knowticed you are missing the rod to hold your hood up, it's not very expensive to buy new from toyota with the plastic clip to hold it down to your battery support

TwinCamGuy · 11-23-2005, 12:29 AM

The rod is there to hold my hood up.Heres the parts that you need so you can go EFI
All parts are from an EFI SR5 or GTS:
Fuel line
Fuel pump bracket
Fuel pump get Walbro very cheap
Wires that goes from the fuel pump to the fuse box
I found all this parts from the junkyard except for the fuel pump

Trust me go with gze lots of torque.NA 16v and 20v doesnt have alot of torque.
Another reason why i went for a gze cause if the 20v breaks where do you get parts for it.