allright guys, how does the high revving 4age compare to the high revving honda vtecs?? both engine will willingly rev to 7k+ rpms, but what are the difference here? the 4age 20v makes 160-165 hp while the vtec b18c1 (acura gsr?) makes about 160-170 hp and the b18c5 (type-R?) makes about 195 hp, and both engines have similiar torque, how are the high revving hondas compare to the high revving 4ages? discuss! and thanks...
well think of this way, Considering the orginal 4age came out in 1982 it's pretty decent. The vtec's are alot newer than the 4age. I have never had the opportunity to drive the 2, just a 4age. BUt what does it for the corolla's and mr2 is the good handling stock. In a straight line the vtec will outrun the 4age no problem. BUt all the magazines and pro japanese drivers say the ae86 can keep up with the newer cars, hell I have seen someone keep up to a skyline with one! so a vtec shouldn't be a problem lol
it all comes down to the feel you prefer from your car, different engines will give you a different feel
- BT 20V 4A-GE peaks at 8300 rpm while the ITRs peaks at 8700 rpm (all the way to 9000)
a better comparison would be the BT 20V 4A-GE vs. B16B CTR!
if you really believe that a "stock" BT 20V AE86 can catch an R34 then you must be on drugs. the only way i can see that happening is on a downhill with a Takumi or Keiichi driving it. and if you're about to say, well who says the AE86 is stock? then any modified engine can reach high hp just look at the 1.3L rotory motors.. they're pushing it to over 500+hp
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Think the biggest thing to consider when comparing the two is the fact that the toyota is just straight DOHC no vvti or vtec while the honda counter parts are all vtec...
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Ah when she was in her glory, Not so nice anymore 358k 17years old her time is getting short ....
the 20V ST has VVT and last Gen 20V BT has VVTi so really it has VTEC.
No blacktops are still only VVT, alot of missinformation about that around the place.
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a better comparison would be the BT 20V 4A-GE vs. B16B CTR!
Yea thats a little more fair but the type R motors are still better motors, an SIR vtec vs a 20v is about even (from what i've seen at the drags, i've never actually raced against a vtec honda though )
The B18c5 1.8L is quite a bit faster than the 4age 20v BT's, Hondas 1.6 engines where very close in power to toyotas, and toyota was still using a design from the early 80s while honda came out with their b16 in 89 or something in japan, but the trueno/levin gtz's had loads more torque and more or just as much hp, the b16 is supposed to be pretty close to the 4ag in design even although I havn't looked at a b16 myself maybe sometime I will, the 4ag 20v was in my opinion better than the honda b16s for sure, just the 20vs didnt use as big of cams as the honda type r engines, the honda type r engines are also tuned, the b16 has pretty much the power of a port n polished and camed 4ag 20v(talking about the later b16b 185hp engines). I think both the engines are great and can reach about the same power output but the honda engines obviously have more after market support.
Seriously though, comparing even the 20V and B16 wouldnt be so smart, B16 is all aluminum, open deck. Whilst the 20V is closed deck, cast iron. Weight alone is different plus the heads are quite different.
Closer comparison would be to compare a 2ZZ-GE and B18C
Like I said it comes down to the feel you want from the car. I like how the 4age reacts. and I thought the vtec's were 2.0's, I know the new ones are.
Toyota kept the smaller size engine and made it fun to drive. Toyota's weren't ment for long distance travel. They were ment for corners, espicially since the 20v was meant for area's like japan. If you compare my 90 hp 4af ae92 sr5 to a regular civic such as the lare 90's one I drove for young drivers, my 1989 ae92 handles better, is more responsive even though it has a carb, the car overall feels better. I find the toyota's 4age can also take more of a punishment than a vtec can.
and besides drag racing isn't fun, ooo look at me I can floor it in a straight line <claps hands like a retard> lol
Civics and corollas are NOT dragracers, they arent anything like race cars. Only thing in common is 4 wheels.
They both are ECONOBOXES, sure people will debate SiR/TypeR/GT/GTi/GT-S corollas are sports cars, uhm I dont think so, they're just the faster ECONOBOXES.
Suspension is not comparable directly, Civics have double wishbones (new ones I think have mcphersons) and Corollas are mcpherson'd. Both have their advantages and dis-advantages.
The cars werent directed to motorsports, they're directed to families and low-consumption, economical driving. Sure anything can be modded, but I'm referring to factory spec cars.
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