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Old 02-21-2006, 08:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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for a long time people have argued about HID fakes..and dont get me wrong..i DO agree that no halogen bulb will ever match that of an HID..in brightness that is..my piaa is no where near the brightness of any HID bulb BUT the color is extremely close..the pic is of my piaa xtreme force vs my old mans stock bulbs

for about 55 bucks (including shipping)..what do you guys think? worth it? or total waste of money? mind you i got the one with a verry sliight blue tint..for about 40-45 bucks you can get pure white from piaa.

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If your going for the blue look it looks great but looking at both car lights your getting about the same light output as the OEM....Myself I just like a bright clear-white light, I use silverstars and although they are a blue tinted bulb they shine white eliminating the yellow look...I haven't tried PIAA yet but I'm thinking about going to GE's nighthawk, their about $10 cheaper a pair then Silverstars.....With DRL's my 9006's last about a year and usually blow out within a week of one another ...Radd Guy...
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Old 02-22-2006, 12:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Waste of money. Especially in the pouring rain.
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Old 02-22-2006, 01:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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right, and the fact that piaa bulbs blow out one every 3 months or so.... i hated it when i had them......
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It's really ez to tell the difference between bulbs and HIDs (atleast to me). Looks rather poser ish so I never considered that route. I do have Silverstars on my GTI though which helped visibility a lot.
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If your going for the blue look it looks great but looking at both car lights your getting about the same light output as the OEM....Myself I just like a bright clear-white light, I use silverstars and although they are a blue tinted bulb they shine white eliminating the yellow look
You cant determine light output with your eyes. Light output color has nothing to do with visibility, when you filter out yellow light, you also take away part of the light output. HID's get their color from a totally different method, they have an electric arc between two electrodes, kinda like a welding arc, the color is determined by that and the gas inside the bulb and is named by the color temperature, kelvin.
Stock bulbs have better light output than ricer bulbs.

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Waste of money. Especially in the pouring rain.
luckily for me it rarely rains
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right, and the fact that piaa bulbs blow out one every 3 months or so.... i hated it when i had them......
ive had mine for quite a while and no signs of any problems..friend has had his for 2 years and no problems
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well like everyone is saying i do agree HID will always be brighter. im talking purely of color. at one time i had one stock bulb in my left headlight and the piaa in the right. turned those things on and covered each one. the piaas shine much farther although as the distance progressed visibility fell. but this is expected. also, when shining both, the piaa bulb overpowered the oem yellow bulb. thus on the road and trees, anything, i could only see my piaa light emitted. i agree with FLASHMN that it is extremely easy to tell the difference between halogen and HID. simply b/c HID is muuuch brighter. i used to have silverstars as well and although i could tell the difference between oem and sykverstars, there was minimal difference. therefore i like piaas
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Ahhhh....are those high beam on both vehicles? (I sure hope so!)
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Old 02-22-2006, 02:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Ahhhh....are those high beam on both vehicles? (I sure hope so!)
both are low beams
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Old 02-22-2006, 07:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...e/bad/bad.html

Headlight glare is bad enough here in the US, and color similarity is only that. I say for $55 you still wasted your money because there is no real benefit of putting in those kind of bulbs except for the (poser-ish) looks.

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What's All The Fuss?

Various companies and individuals are selling halogen headlamp bulbs with blue or purplish-blue glass. There are lots of spurious claims made for these bulbs. They're falsely advertised as "Xenon bulbs" or "HID bulbs", the blue glass is claimed to "force the bulb to perform at a higher level", and there are seemingly endless amounts of pseudoscience aimed at enticing buyers who want better performance from their headlamps. In fact, these bulbs reduce headlamp performance while increasing dangerous glare. How and why are blue bulbs dangerous?
Many of them degrade roadway safety,” both yours and other drivers'. Some of them can be physically hazardous. Here are the nuts and bolts of why blue bulbs are a bad idea:
White light is made up of every color of light mixed together. But the colors are not all present in equal amounts. The output spectrum of filament bulbs, including halogen headlamp bulbs, includes a great deal of red, orange, yellow and green light, but very little blue or violet light. Blue bulbs have colored glass (or a filter coating applied to clear glass) that allows only the blue light through the filter — this is why the bulbs appear blue. Because very little blue light is produced by a halogen bulb in the first place, it is only this very small amount — a tiny fraction of the total amount of light produced by a halogen bulb filament — that ever reaches the road.
Blue and violet are the shortest wavelength/highest frequency colors of visible light, and, as such, they scatter the most readily. This is why the sky is blue rather than any other color from the sun's white output spectrum. Blue light doesn't just scatter most readily in the sky, but also in the eye. To observe this effect, try this informal experiment: Next time you see a dark blue storefront sign or a row of blue airport runway landing lights after dark, notice how blurry the edges of the sign or landing light appears compared to adjacent lights or signs of different colors. Decades ago, hot rodders would install "blue dots" in their cars' taillamps. These small bits of blue glass cause the taillamps to appear not red with a blue dot in the center, but rather pinkish-purple, because the observer's eye easily focuses on the red but has trouble with the blue, which remains out of focus and appears to tint the entire area of the red light.


Compared to uncolored bulbs, Blue headlight bulbs are able to produce more glare with less light because of the difference between the "signal image", which is what an observer sees when looking at an illuminated headlamp, and the "beam pattern", which is the light viewed from behind the headlamp facing forward, as by the driver of a vehicle. In order for headlamp light to be used by the driver, the light must travel forward from the headlamp to an object, bounce off the object and return to the driver's eyes. As light travels through the atmosphere, it spreads and diffuses according to the Inverse Square Law: The intensity drops as 1/(distance)2. That is, a given headlamp will illuminate an object 2 feet away with 1/4 of the intensity found at the front face of the headlamp, an object 3 feet away with 1/9 of the source intensity, an object 10 feet away with 1/100 of the source intensity, and so on — and then this loss is redoubled because the light must travel back to the observer's eyes. Remember that the blue filtration prevents the bulk of the light being produced from reaching the road, so the light "stealing" effect of the Inverse Square law becomes greatly magnified: Less light by which to see. On the other hand, light travels directly from the headlamp to the eyes of the oncoming observer, so the "back to the driver's eyes" redoubling of the Inverse Square law does not take place:More glare. Therefore, for any given distance between the headlamps and the observer, there'll be considerably more light to cause glare than there'll be to allow the driver to see More glare.
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Old 02-22-2006, 08:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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first of all ive said over and over again that halogen bulbs will never be as bright as HID thats NOT WHAT I AM TRYING TO CLAIM. and secondly to say that blue lights are worse than oem yellowish bulbs..well ive actually seen it because ive tested one oem bulb in on lamp and the piaa in the other. i can personally say that the piaa emitted light much brighter and farther down the road. lastly, to accuse anyone with halogen white/blue/purplish lights as a poser..wtf i guess maybe in your opinion but "ricey" and "poser" is all from perspective. i orignally got the piaas not for the better light output but because i like the way it looks on my car. incidently, it does shine brighter and farther than oem bulbs that i have compared with. i have compared it with a 98 astro van 97 accord 96 integra 95 sc400 06 scion tc all oem bulbs vs my piaa. results were agreed upon everyone. my piaas were brighter than all of their oem bulbs. thank you.
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Old 02-22-2006, 08:20 PM   #15 (permalink)
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But it still stands, $55 for a pair of bulbs is pointless as there are other brands that are much cheaper if you want to maintain that look.

You have tested one single bulb against a yellow OEM type, OK...

1. Did you take measurements to actually determine the color brightness?
2. How far down the road did it actually light up?
3. How efficient these bulbs are in the long run?

Comparing it to Daniel Stern's extensive tests and research, how would your test compare? When I said poser, that's purely my opinion. Wasn't accusing you of anything.

This is all you got for $55: "i like the way it looks on my car"

It cannot shine farther down the road because blue light (as is the one in your car) has a shorter wavelength. Redder lights (i.e. yellower lights) have longer wavelength. That's why emergency vehicles have red lights so they can be seen from afar.
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