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Old 07-06-2006, 05:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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13b swap?

new here, nice to meet u all. I've grown up seeing the puerto ricans with their 1.8 rollas, and have always had a love for the 80/81 rollas. Few days ago i met a guy who had one with a 13b engine. The engine looked tiny in there. So i come on here and search for any info i can get on the swap, but i dont find much. Is this a common swap? Anyone know if its a tedious swap? Complete rotary engines seem to go for cheap, so it seems like a good choice. What other turbocharged swaps could i possibly do in an 80 rolla? 3gste comes to mind but i dunno if its been done. Any info u guys can give me would be great thanks
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Basically everything's been done, a 13bt or any other rotary would be very expensive, but would be a hell of allot of fun, those engines are so light, and can be mounted so low down they give the car excellent balance.

The main expense with rotarys is finding someone who knows how to build them properly, if built properly they are amazing engines.

Other swaps, 3sgte, 1/2jzgte, 3tgte, 4agte, 4efte.

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Old 07-06-2006, 10:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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it's not even getting them built thats the problem. It's getting them serviced. Guys I know with rx7's say it's hard to find someone who knows what they are doing when they go to work on them and they usually fuck it up more.
plus say on the rx7 most of the stuff is expensive to replace.
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Old 07-07-2006, 07:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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What other turbocharged swaps could i possibly do in an 80 rolla? 3gste comes to mind but i dunno if its been done. Any info u guys can give me would be great thanks
i'd say a 7MGTE. you'll need a RWD conversion for a 3SGTE and i'm telling you it's not easy to get fabricated.

why not just build up the 3TC. bore it out to 2.0L and boost it. there's an EFI intake plenum for T motors on ebay a few weeks ago i think.
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isnt the 3sgte rwd format already? why would there be any conversion to rwd? I have thought bout building the tc, and then boosting...its my experience tho that sometimes rebuilding comes out more expensive then just getting somthing already done. Is there any material i can get my hands on that'll help me in rebulding a tc? any write-ups or videos? what about gearboxes, what type are there? whats the strongest gearbox thatll mate up to the tc? thanks for the noob help, i've been into mustang waaayyyyyy to long.
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Old 07-07-2006, 10:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
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isnt the 3sgte rwd format already? why would there be any conversion to rwd? I have thought bout building the tc, and then boosting...its my experience tho that sometimes rebuilding comes out more expensive then just getting somthing already done. Is there any material i can get my hands on that'll help me in rebulding a tc? any write-ups or videos? what about gearboxes, what type are there? whats the strongest gearbox thatll mate up to the tc? thanks for the noob help, i've been into mustang waaayyyyyy to long.
no the 3SGTE came only on Celicas and MR2s, both non-RWD. so you'll need a RWD bellhousing plus W series tranny and everything that comes with that conversion. you're prolly thinking of 3TGTE as RWD not 3SGTE. 3TC can take a lot of abuse believe it or not. much more than a 4AG. and since you're familiar with Mustang, then adapt the Mustang rear end to your corolla.
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Actually this has been done at lease once before. I saw one at sevenstock a couple of years ago. check out www.rx7club.com and look under the "Other Rotaries" section.
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The people who are telling you the 13b is gonna be hard to install are full of shit. Its not any harder to do the swap than any other non-native engine. As for servicing, if you have access to parts, is helluva lot easier to fix up a rotary, sheer number of parts makes it easy. Though it will be harder to find people who know how to service them.
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no the 3SGTE came only on Celicas and MR2s, both non-RWD. so you'll need a RWD bellhousing plus W series tranny and everything that comes with that conversion. you're prolly thinking of 3TGTE as RWD not 3SGTE. 3TC can take a lot of abuse believe it or not. much more than a 4AG. and since you're familiar with Mustang, then adapt the Mustang rear end to your corolla.
mr2 isn't rwd? huh...? mid engine is still rwd. Just set up different....
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MR2 is RWD, but the transmission layout is exactly the same as in a FWD.
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yea because of the mid engine. but none the less still rwd (y). How are the mr2's for handling? oversteer issues?
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3SGE is available in RWD 4th Gen beams w/ VVT-i. Also quite expensive, and were available in the Altezza. MR2 is RWD, but the motor is transverse, which is FWD, just mounted in the rear. Main problems with FWD to RWD is the cooling system, and distributor. Also, the 3S sits at an angle.
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How are the mr2's for handling? oversteer issues?
Nothign you cant get used to. In the winter they're bit crazy, but otherwise I'd say pretty good, atleast you have traction, because you have weight on the rear wheels.
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MR2 is RWD, but the motor is transverse, which is FWD, just mounted in the rear.
that's waht i meant. thanks for the correction.
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MR2 is RWD, but the transmission layout is exactly the same as in a FWD.

Except the shift linkage is on the opposite side.
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