No FI Ren! That's not "real" horsepower. The more intriguing thing would be to put the ITB's on a small port and give it a good tune. Those plus a good set of cams, I think the 16v would probably pull on a 20v with the equivalent cams. I like toruqe.
modified, everything, the gze is good to turbo, but what if you put low comp pistons on the blacktop or silvertop and turbo that thing, will it pass the gze on the quarter mile? discuss!!!!!!!!!! dont make this too hard guys :p which one is geared better towards the quarter mile than the other?(or can be)
No FI Ren! That's not "real" horsepower. The more intriguing thing would be to put the ITB's on a small port and give it a good tune. Those plus a good set of cams, I think the 16v would probably pull on a 20v with the equivalent cams. I like toruqe.
no the 20V will still give it to the 16V. ITBs are not the only advantage of the 20V from the 16V. the whole 20V head design flows much better than the 16V.
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modified, everything, the gze is good to turbo, but what if you put low comp pistons on the blacktop or silvertop and turbo that thing, will it pass the gze on the quarter mile? discuss!!!!!!!!!! dont make this too hard guys :p which one is geared better towards the quarter mile than the other?(or can be)
in my opinion the 2nd Gen 20V ST with a BT head will be the best boosted set-up for any 4AG. why? the 2nd Gen bottom end is identical to the MAP GZE's less the forged pistons. so if you get one of those Arias forged pistons for the 20V then the problem is solved. the BT head is the best designed head out of all 4As, period.
that being said.... 3SGTE owns any 4AG!!!
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with all the aftermarket for the 16v though... but someone on here back when I first joined had an ae86 that had around 500 hp if I remember correctly it was a 16v. Couldn't dyno it since even with a bunch of people sitting in the back of it it still tried to hop of the dyno.
like sure if you had a tonn of money to blow you could build a group a 20v... I can never remember if it's 240 or 260 hp it puts out.
But honestly if your going to drag why would you use a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?
with all the aftermarket for the 16v though... but someone on here back when I first joined had an ae86 that had around 500 hp if I remember correctly it was a 16v. Couldn't dyno it since even with a bunch of people sitting in the back of it it still tried to hop of the dyno.
like sure if you had a tonn of money to blow you could build a group a 20v... I can never remember if it's 240 or 260 hp it puts out.
But honestly if your going to drag why would you use a 1.6 liter 4 cylinder?
there's a guy in oki making 500+ on the 16v forced induction of course. group a is actually a little lower, around the 220-240 range. i say late model GZE from the ae101 is best, highest stock hp out of all the 4a series. swap the s/c for a turbo and throw some cams on it, and there, set for ~16-20psi. no need for digging around the internals just to make a weak 200hp probably less (outside of the $$$ race world, getting above 200hp is nye impossible with the 4age)
yea wish I still had that site I found. Guy made a list of shit for different power ranges that you would have to do and by the 200 hp range it was costly.
and hey a group A engine in an ae92, mr2, ae86, prism, and so fourth that came with the 4age in it is plenty since they are light cars.
I laughed the day horsepower TV did a thing on imports and they showed one doing the 1/4 mile. A civic modded to hell. Forget what company did it. Had alot of power. Thing looked like it was barely moving from take off and moving soooo slow down the track. Then again thats because usually when I see drag it's rwd + v8.
lastly outside racing wtf do you need more than 200 hp in a 2300 lbs car...
True, unless you're a rebel street racing speeder.
I think to me, 250hp on my car would be just awesome! That would be my aim, don't care if I do a 20V turbo or 3SGTE conversion, that's all I want. The funny thing is when I get there I'll probably want more.
The funny thing is when I get there I'll probably want more.
that answers the question why someone need more than 200 hp on a their cars. you get used to the current power you have and you think your car is actually getting slower but in reality you're adapting to the power. that's why we have 500+hp cars on the street now.
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Do you have any idea what group A is, or is this just another initial D reference?
you mean Initial D is not REAL?
Flashmn.. please show respect to Mr. FWD Drift King!!!
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c mon guys, focus! :p we're talking about the quarter mile here, not which engine can make the most hp, but which engine is best suited for the quarter mile, lets say everything is the same on the car, same driver, same weight, same horspower/torque, and the only difference are the engine, 20v vs 16v, who's gonna win? the 20v does have better top end? so its mph should trap higher? discuss discuss!!!!!
Yeah man, thats what the older boys told me, my world was crushed when I heard. I was already planning to fly to japan to meet takahashi ryosuke, the akagi white comet so I could join Project D.
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