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Old 09-04-2006, 11:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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3SGTE swap help!!

Ok I know im new to this forum and I did look around at other posts for this, but all the ones I have looked at for this dont really tell me what im looking for it just seems like you guys just complain how expensive its going to be and all that stuff.

So all I want to know is if anyone has done this swap in a 94 corolla/prizm or can anyone help me out by telling me everything im going to need to do this swap? I dont care how expensive its going to be cause I already have someone that can do it and get the engine for me and make the engine mounts I just need to know everything im gonna need to do this swap. '

So if anyone can please help me out. thanks


P.S. if there is a thread that has what I am asking could you please show it to me and im sorry for posting about this swap again.

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Old 09-04-2006, 01:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not that I recall.. hence the reason why you can't find info on this swap as this is not a popular Corolla swap. You need to look at Celica forums, usually the Celica guys do the 3SGE/3SGTE swaps into their 5SFE powered cars, I know they're not the same car, but the motor is.
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Old 09-04-2006, 05:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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try checking out www.twincharge.org i've seen a '93 Corolla 4dr with that swap there. goodluck!
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Old 09-04-2006, 05:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Most likely you're gonna have to look at it as you go by. Its basic engine mechanics, so its not that hard, dont let the fact that its an non-native engine to the car scare you.
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downshift is that link right? cause when I click on it it says page cannot be found.

ok what about the 20v blacktop? I know this one and the silvertop have been done alot. so would that be a better swap and do you know were I could find a turbo kit for that? cause right now im basically just trying to decide what swap to do I asked this guy I know who does swaps if he could do the 20v blacktop and he said yes and then he suggested the 3SGTE cause he said it would be faster, but im really just trying to decide.
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good lord.... more and more mis-information by the day....

mr2's (mk1's) and ae92's and ae101's all share the same mount locations... for the most part... excep the mr2's won't have a crossmember brace in the middle of the trans (thank god)

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an E5X series transmission WILL bolt up to a C series trans mounts..... the 3sgte usually (in mr2's) is mated to an e150 trans.... same internals as the earlier E51 s/c mr2 trans, but different bellhousings..... SO you could use an E51 or E58 transmission with an E150 bellhousing to fit the C series mounts and fit to the S series block..... use the C series mounts bolted to the E series trans.... the driver side mount will only have 2 of the 3 bolts line up... but they hold just fine. The rear mount.... use the E series U-shaped bracket, but drill the holes ~1/2" to the right of the stock holes.... the C series mount will bolt right in.

A 3SGTE OR 5SFE WILL BOLT TO THE STOCK 4AGE/4AFE/7AFE side motormount.... HOWEVER... it isn't in the right location..... ie, the mount will break due to the engine not sitting quite right.... it needs to be cut and modified.....

after that..... I PERSONALLY would suggest an aftermarket ECU setup..... because, well, we aren't here for stock performance.... and after some time you'll want to turn the boost up (even though a lot of boost in a FWD car is retarded) and the stock ecu won't handle it....

Megasquirt is a cheap & easy way to go.....
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A 3SGTE OR 5SFE WILL BOLT TO THE STOCK 4AGE/4AFE/7AFE side motormount.... HOWEVER... it isn't in the right location..... ie, the mount will break due to the engine not sitting quite right.... it needs to be cut and modified.....
S-series engines have the mounts in the same place, as do A and E series in their own respected engine families.
Pax engine mount will have to be moved forward some 1-2cm that I can hint.
CV joints will compensate for slight engine misalignment.
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I saw a guy with a 3SGTE swap on his AE92 GTS, basically yeah one mount had to be modded, the others he said fit fine. He also used the GZE transmission he had as he went from 4AGE to 4AGZE and then to 3SGTE because the GZE was not "enough power" for him. I wish I took pics. The firewall had about 1-2 inches of clearance from the intake manifold.
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You sure he used the GZE transmission, not the GTE one? I dont think it would bolt up, plus the clutch is ridiculously small in the GZE one.
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he never went into details, I think you might be right though.. I can't remember now if he used the GTE transmission with the GZE shafts, they're both E transmissions so he may have built a hybrid out of the 2.
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Unless you got the 3S-GTE from a turbo MR2, you won't be using the tranny because it from an AllTrac/GT4. Mr2 LSD tranny is 1st chose then camry/Solara V6 tranny next.
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downshift is that link right? cause when I click on it it says page cannot be found.

ok what about the 20v blacktop? I know this one and the silvertop have been done alot. so would that be a better swap and do you know were I could find a turbo kit for that? cause right now im basically just trying to decide what swap to do I asked this guy I know who does swaps if he could do the 20v blacktop and he said yes and then he suggested the 3SGTE cause he said it would be faster, but im really just trying to decide.
www.twincam.org

i'd listen to the 3SGTE suggestion. by the time you finish the 20V turbo, it'll be worth more than the 3SGTE. plus you can go to a Toyota parts counter and get your parts unlike searching for the 20V parts.
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You sure he used the GZE transmission, not the GTE one? I dont think it would bolt up, plus the clutch is ridiculously small in the GZE one.
um..... E51 trans use either 220mm or 228mm.... i believe a 3sgte uses a 231mm clutch?

e51 (s/c mr2) and e150 (turbo mr2) use the same internals on the transmission... just have different differentials and bellhousings
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um..... E51 trans use either 220mm or 228mm.... i believe a 3sgte uses a 231mm clutch?

e51 (s/c mr2) and e150 (turbo mr2) use the same internals on the transmission... just have different differentials and bellhousings
^^ thats definatly true. They are both E series boxes.

Have a look here.
http://www.fasterthanjesus.net/

Has good info on 3S to 4A conversions.
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