Why dont we have these?

[rice]

"we" as in corollas/toyotas/etc...



the thing that goes between each wheel, if i remember, when i looked at my corolla, it had two skinny bars coming off from each side of the rear.

[punter]

What bit are you taking about?

The brace between where the bottom arms mount?
the sway bar? (I can't actually see one in that pic)
Some other random thing?????

[cpqaim]

The Corolla has a "semi-independent" rear suspension. The one in the picture is fully indepdent like the one found on the Civic.

[punter]

My corollas sure have independant rear.
Which ones don't??

[cpqaim]

Originally Posted by punter

My corollas sure have independant rear.
Which ones don't??

The 9th Gen over here in the US has a torsion beam rear axle instead of MacPherson struts.

[freakinbox]

AE92 has independent, and older civics have wishbone, they got rid of it on the new ones.

Those don't look stock either. They look adjustable, so thats why the stock corolla doesn't have it and we have the bars instead, 4 link suspension suposed to have less flex that just one bar like that

[rice]

this part, and yes, its aftermarket



i believe its a one-piece design. What are these called? i see it on honda/acura. Our cars dont have this option? and i cant find any aftermarket replacements either.

[canadiancelica]

Originally Posted by rice

this part, and yes, its aftermarket



i believe its a one-piece design. What are these called? i see it on honda/acura. Our cars dont have this option? and i cant find any aftermarket replacements either.

that's 3 separate pieces. Left & right control arms and a reinforcing bar, works like a front strut tower bar.

[freakinbox]

isn't the rear subframe on the older corolla's more beefy than the one on that car? I have one from a gts and it isn't what I would call light for what it is. I don't think we would need a reinforcement bar.

We have what I was told is a 4 link. When I say we I mean ae92 guys, ae86 guys don't (obviously) and I don't know enough about corollas beyond ae92 since I am not a fan of the 4 doors. I prefer what we have. Want ours to be hieght adjustable coil overs? and wouldn't that design really mess with the camber when you made it taller?

[project trueno]

Originally Posted by freakinbox

isn't the rear subframe on the older corolla's more beefy than the one on that car? I have one from a gts and it isn't what I would call light for what it is. I don't think we would need a reinforcement bar.

You're comparing Corollas to Civics. Apples to oranges.
If anything stock for stock Honda did a much better job with their unibody stiffness on their Civics than the Corollas. Lighter too.

In that picture all the silver parts are aftermarket, looks like Megan Racing. The silver bar in the middle acts similar to a strut tower bar, cheap, easy to install, looks nice, probably functional, best of all it doesn't come stock. Perfect for those buying for the sake of buying.

Originally Posted by freakinbox

We have what I was told is a 4 link. When I say we I mean ae92 guys, ae86 guys don't (obviously) and I don't know enough about corollas beyond ae92 since I am not a fan of the 4 doors. I prefer what we have. Want ours to be hieght adjustable coil overs? and wouldn't that design really mess with the camber when you made it taller?

Yeah you have a 4 link (left to right), 6 link if you count the 2 facing front to back. AE86s also have 4 links. 5 if you count the lateral rod.

[freakinbox]

comparing corolla to civic isn't comparing apples to oranges... They are the small cars for those 2 companies. They are in competition with each other... So comparing them makes sense.

[Flashmn]

If anything stock for stock Honda did a much better job with their unibody stiffness on their Civics than the Corollas. Lighter too.

Haha, what a crock of shit. Hondas have been ALOT more flexy than corollas of same age. And sure as hell my corolla weighs 200kg less stock vs stock than a 90's civic.

Not to mention a toyota did have independent rear suspension, not a "semi-independent" rear suspension, wtf guys. Why dont you learn a bit before you open your pie hole. Torsion bars ARE independent, its just that the bar is a spring, each wheel has its own bar. The reason why toyotas dont need those parts is because the part where the control arms connect is narrow and relatively stiff, compared to the pressed sheetmetal in a civic which is much wider. Just like the rear seat section of the sedan makes a rear strut bar as is, no need to buy one.

[freakinbox]

you sure? I'd think the 89 civic would be lighter than my car...at least here the ae92 weighs around 2300 lbs. As for the rear suspension, like I said our 4 links are stiffer... we could fab something like that up if we wanted, but would need 4 of them.

As for the corolla vs civic. 80's and 90's ae92 pwn the civic in my opinion. The corollas were more sporty and peppy, woot dohc? and tvis... and indepentent suspension and so on

But I'd say after 92 when north america lost the coupes and the 4age when it went to a 20v the civic was better. Corolla lost it's sport factor and went to be a family car

[Flashmn]

Maybe over there with yout 5mph bumpers and door impact beams.... but some of us dont have them

[retiredat44]

Originally Posted by freakinbox

you sure? I'd think the 89 civic would be lighter than my car...at least here the ae92 weighs around 2300 lbs. As for the rear suspension, like I said our 4 links are stiffer... we could fab something like that up if we wanted, but would need 4 of them.

As for the corolla vs civic. 80's and 90's ae92 pwn the civic in my opinion. The corollas were more sporty and peppy, woot dohc? and tvis... and indepentent suspension and so on

But I'd say after 92 when north america lost the coupes and the 4age when it went to a 20v the civic was better. Corolla lost it's sport factor and went to be a family car

MY HOnda had much better gas mileage than my Toyota... but my Toyota is more peppy. Peppy is the good word for it, as none of these cars is fast.. little rice burners at best...