20v 1.6 into 93 corolla

[gf has a camry]

my friend says he wants/is gonna get a 20 valve 175hp 1.6 litre corolla engien to replace his dead one....i thought the 20v were rarer and/or very expensive...is he just dreamin or is it possible...btw he prolly only has the money for the same old stock engine he had already

[Jzs147-RR]

Yes the Ae101/111 engine can fit in but its got less hp then 175 more like 140-145 depending wich model he gets.The Blacktop is a better choice since its the most powerfull version of the two.The Swap is not easy but it could be done by a good shop.If he likes high reving then the 4age 20v is his choice but a nice 4agze would offer more power and later he could upgarde it much easyer.

[gf has a camry]

hes got an auto so high revs isnt a great option unless he chips it or somethign to control the limiter and stuff like i cant on my truck...would he also be able to transfer his header and intake over to a 4age?

[Jzs147-RR]

One way or another he should swap out that slushomatic and just use the trans that comes with the 20v.The engine should come with headers and he will need to make a custom pipe to connect that to his original exhaust system.Im not 100% about the exhaust part but that is my best guess ..

[boroEF]

^ that's correct. u will need to build a custom downpipe from the extractors down to the cat....the downpipe from the 20v wont fit as it was designed for the ae111/101

[4Aaron GE]

What about re routing the exhaust slightly? I'd imagine that the exhaust path on the AE101 and the AE102 would be fairly similar. It appears that the 4A-GZE extractors outlet was roughly in the same place as the extractors from Eric's aftermarket set for his 4A-FE.

[boroEF]

Originally posted by 4Aaron GE
What about re routing the exhaust slightly? I'd imagine that the exhaust path on the AE101 and the AE102 would be fairly similar. It appears that the 4A-GZE extractors outlet was roughly in the same place as the extractors from Eric's aftermarket set for his 4A-FE.

re routing? what do u mean by re routing?
getting a custom downpipe for the 20v is basically rerouting...no?

[4Aaron GE]

I mean leave the manifold as is, and have the exhaust go to that, rather than modify the manifold to meet the exhaust.

[REN69]

Originally posted by Jzs147-RR
Yes the Ae101/111 engine can fit in but its got less hp then 175 more like 140-145 depending wich model he gets.The Blacktop is a better choice since its the most powerfull version of the two.The Swap is not easy but it could be done by a good shop.If he likes high reving then the 4age 20v is his choice but a nice 4agze would offer more power and later he could upgarde it much easyer.

first gen 16v GZE were 145hp, 2nd gen GZE were 165hp, and 3rd gen GZE were 170hp

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20t...-GZE_specs.htm

Silvertop 20v 4AGE's were 160hp and blacktop 20v's were 165hp

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20t...ifications.htm

btw, I've seen Silvertops with automatic transmissions before.. not sure about blacktops and gze's though.

[boroEF]

Originally posted by REN69


first gen 16v GZE were 145hp, 2nd gen GZE were 165hp, and 3rd gen GZE were 170hp

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20t...-GZE_specs.htm

Silvertop 20v 4AGE's were 160hp and blacktop 20v's were 165hp

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20t...ifications.htm

btw, I've seen Silvertops with automatic transmissions before.. not sure about blacktops and gze's though.

sad thing is that bluetops, redtops, silvertops and blacktops(all the japan versions anyway) were all over rated in their power figures. it has been commonly said and dyno proven that the silvertop makes about 145hp at the crank. it's kinda crappy.
and when u think about it, it makes sense. it's merely a 16v with lighter internals, an extra intake valve per cylinder, individual throttles and vvt(which doesnt add any power btw...only makes for a mover driveable power band). so 145hp makes sense...

it's by no means a b16....b16>blacktop>silvertop. honda ownz in the little 4 banger power wars :p

[rezzle]

170 HP in Japan where they run up to 97 octane.

Same engine different computer setup.

Even with today's toyota's the Jap versions make more HP. Run one of those here and you'd just wreck it with 92 octane.

[boroEF]

Originally posted by rezzle
170 HP in Japan where they run up to 97 octane.

Same engine different computer setup.

Even with today's toyota's the Jap versions make more HP. Run one of those here and you'd just wreck it with 92 octane.

um i know ur the guru of fuel and all, but i doubt that your above statement is 100% true. i know people running jdm b16s, b18cs and h22a's here with no problems at all....

isnt their octane rating method different than ours? therefore 100 octane is equivalent to our 94? or something? read that somewhere...educate me :p

[rezzle]

Octane on our pumps is research octane + motor octane / 2
Our pump gas we require a lower Research octane number than in Japan (something to do with valve guides on older models and the additives we still use - In Japan folks are 'persuaded' to sell or junk their cars every 5-10 years. There are few old cars on the streets of japan.

We on average (exept methanol blends) have a max research octane of 98 and motor octane of 87
which gives about a 92 octane

In Japan however they use a max research octane of 100 and have a motor octane of 88.
Giving what we would call an octane of 94 .. yes I was wrong with that 87 guess.

All that matters is that it is higher, octane makes a big difference on performance above 10:1.
Here are the engine specs.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/P...neEngines.html

Note there are two 170 HP 4age's on this page one they note is a jap spec 4agze the other is a VVti 4age but they have a pic of the dyno run, that happens to have Japanese written all over it.


As for japanese fuel vs ours and car performance...

http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/f...11ht_delivery/
http://www.spdusa.com/driving_the_wrx_engine.htm

How much can changing octane affect performance?

Read that in the following about 12 octane points will double the horsepower that's a 100% gain.
http://sdsefi.com/techocta.htm

( I interpolated that number btw but I think it is accurate)

Ya but its only 2 octane points you say can it really make that much of a difference??

If 12 octane points is 100% then 2 octane points should be good for about 17%
17% of 145 is 24HP
145 + 24 = 169
Pretty damn close if you ask me.

Maybe the anti knock sensor is kicking in on those cars you mentioned and tweaking back the timing or playing withthe fuel/air mix ask them to run some race fuel for a week and see if they notice a difference.

[rezzle]

edit ^

[boroEF]

hmm interesting. thanks for the lesson rezzle

there was always a debate of japanese gas vs our gas....and i guess in the end, their gas is different....

booo that means silvertop is 160hp over there and 140hp over here...that's trash so much money for such a slow motor