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uras · 06-30-2003, 01:59 AM

black ae86 victim #2...

2:30am, making a right turn on finch and neilson.
roads are COMPLETELY EMPTY.

RED LIGHT.

before the turn, in 4th gear, around 2.3k rpm cruising. down shifted/rev-matched to 3rd, to prepare for the turn, then heel-toe'd to 2nd right before and then punched it during the turn.

this was a routine for me, in every turn on an empty road at night.

while punching it after the turn. CHERRIES popped outta nowhere.

cop musta heard the magnaflow catback from a mile, booked me with failing to stop on a RED. just before making a right turn.. I said in my head "who the fuck does that anymore on empty roads..." FUCK.

then, started inspecting. got a WARNING for the slammed suspension. plus wandering where my rear seats are.

i said, i got the car like this, certified and insured like this.
then i said that the rear seats were torn because IT IS an 86 corolla, and said that i never take on more than 1 passenger anyway.

MY QUESTION IS:

I wanna take it to court for sure, even if the cop shows, i'll tell the judge to lower it since "I've got a super clean record, and i have a shitty job, plus university expenses on the way, blah blah blah"

I WANT TO KNOW, will my insurance know about this as soon as it happened? what if i wanna contest it in court, is it only after the verdict will my insurance note and skyrocket????

Nick · 06-30-2003, 02:03 AM

i think they only get the final verdict, either you pleid guilty, or whatever the court decides

plus its only a minor thing, so i doubt your insurance will go up

uras · 06-30-2003, 02:06 AM

it's not a minor thing man, it's written down as "RED LIGHT FAIL TO STOP"...

$190 ticket man. btw, anyone know how many demerit points I can lose??

Nick · 06-30-2003, 02:11 AM

ouch, that's right, like if you ran right through it, go to court, might be able to get it reduced to improper turn

the # of demerit points should be written on the ticket, i'm guess ing 4-6

Trueno_Sprinter · 06-30-2003, 02:36 AM

Didn't u get your car from Cyril? and didn't Cyril get pulled over recently in his new ae86?

dun dun dun.... could it be a curse?... Cyril's curse????

The modifications u can argue... those can be won if u have the right plan and some luck...

as for running a red light... well u better hope the cop doesnt show in court... then ur ok on that

gl

Lafora · 06-30-2003, 06:36 AM

red light means stop tiger. i know you can make a right on red, but the HTA says you have to come to a complete stop and the proceed w/ caution. come on man, the manual taught you that before you got the G1.

sorry to hear what happened...just part of the learning curve i guess.

it's nice to see you practising shifting techniques on the street...just be VERY conscientious about not breaking ANY traffic rules esp late at night. cuz when he's sittin in that cruiser fingering his ass, he WILL nail you if he sees it.

Tommi Tiardi · 06-30-2003, 08:06 AM

First, if you have the money, take it to court regardless, because the insurance looked at the NUMBER of tickets, not points. So even if you have a ticket without any points taken off that is in the contrary of the HTA, then you're insurance will go up regardless.

Another one is that at court, you can ask the crown, how fast were you going when you go through the red light. The chances are that he won't be able to tell, then you can say "then how do you know that I wasn't making a full stop??"

Catch my drift???

Anywayz, my friend tried it and it worked. So .........

wunderboy · 06-30-2003, 08:31 AM

ya but be carefull with this kind of thing. If they think your trying to be a smartass, they will screw you good. Especially if your under 24-25. Good luck, and like Cyril said, keep to the rules of the road, when on the road.

uras · 06-30-2003, 08:54 AM

okay, i found out how many demerit points i'll be losing if i were to just plead guilty and pay up right away.

it's 3.

now, when i take it to COURT, do u guys think I can wipe out the demerit points issued, and maybe even reduce the $$$ all in all?

or do they just reduce the fee but still give u the 3 demerit points?

i'd rather pay them the money they want instead of getting demerit points...

wunderboy · 06-30-2003, 10:00 AM

Points usually stay, its the fine they can drop for you. It really depends on the J.P... he might like your story and give you a break, but in your case, I doubt it.

Lafora · 06-30-2003, 10:32 AM

be real nice and see if you can talk em to rid the points but pay the fine.

uras · 06-30-2003, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Lafora
be real nice and see if you can talk em to rid the points but pay the fine.

exactly, i'm gonna ask just that, and also to change the ticket from running a RED to "Improper turn"

fuck i'd pay more than that $190, just as long as i don't get any points...

***MRQtwinturbo*** · 06-30-2003, 12:30 PM

sorry to hear bout ur ticket.....i've always preached to my friends to always come to a complete stop at red lights...tahts one of the most common reasons cops will pull u over for....
btw...why dont u have ur back seats in the car??.....driving around city streets with a gutted car is asking for trouble...put ur seats back in.....if u make the car look like a race car....u'r gonna get harrassed......tint ur windows at least......

Im_a_dickhead2 · 06-30-2003, 12:40 PM

I guess none of you have ever been to court, eh?

You can't ask the judge anything about points. S/he will just say that the court system is not responsible for points - it's MTO that takes care of that. If you ask them how many points you'd get... they don't know.

But rest assured... when they lower your fine, your points automatically go down. Because a lower fine means a lesser offence! They've gotta lower your offence to lower your fine.

The #1 thing to do is to first book what is called "First Attendance", whereas you meet with the prosecutor and negotiate a reduction, or whatever. But with first attendance, you can't get off completely, just negotiate a reduction - if that's what you want.

Otherwise, don't go to court trying to fight it yourself. There's a lot of things the normal person doesn't know about the court system. That's why there are lawyers and paralegals. Call X-Copper or something if you really don't want a ticket... they got a lot of buddies in the force that they can pay off or tell not to come (CONNECTIONS!).

Also, on a side note, the court system is really backed up right now (as always), so if you book a court date, it probably won't happen at least until 10 months from now. Then, you can file a motion regarding your case (Motion to present an argument, that is NOT related to the evidence, because without filing a motion, you're only allowed to dispute the evidence the cop presented and nothing else.)... anyway, cite that under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Section 11b), it was determined through the case of Askov vs. Regina that 8 months is the reasonable time in which a trial can be presented fairly. Beyond this time, the defendant is subject to prejudice... haha... and 100% sure, you will get off. BUT... you must do it in the correct manner!!! File a motion, blah, blah, blah... Otherwise, they won't even let you talk.

But... my suggestion is just to book a First Attendance appointment and talk it down with the prosecutor.

YsGuy · 06-30-2003, 01:11 PM

First attendance is the easiest way out unless you know you actually have proof that you didn't do it. I had a $295, 4 points, ticket turn into a $100 ticket just by saying I didn't mean to do it, give the student speal and so on. Even after the court appearance they can give you 3 months to pay it off, depending on your financial situation.