im originally from the honda world where everything goes together like legos so bare with me. im about to get my hands on a AE86 coupe which already has a rotary transplant. i kno nothing about rotary so its comin out. i want turbo so heres what ive narrowed my options down to after my premilinary searches and research.
1.4AGZE- see how the supercharger works, if dissatisfied id most likely buy a turbo kit or fabricate one (fabrication more likely)
-swap is easy, direct bolt in/plug in
2.3SGTE- not sure about this motor but from reading the FAQ on swaps i ran across it.since its already turbo this would be ideal. i honestly know nothing about this engine. is it built to me mounted longitudnal or transverse? i want to retain the cars RWD because i will be doing a lot of drifting and autoX
-i know nothing about the swap...please help!!
im originally from the honda world where everything goes together like legos so bare with me. im about to get my hands on a AE86 coupe which already has a rotary transplant. i kno nothing about rotary so its comin out. i want turbo so heres what ive narrowed my options down to after my premilinary searches and research.
1.4AGZE- see how the supercharger works, if dissatisfied id most likely buy a turbo kit or fabricate one (fabrication more likely)
-swap is easy, direct bolt in/plug in
2.3SGTE- not sure about this motor but from reading the FAQ on swaps i ran across it.since its already turbo this would be ideal. i honestly know nothing about this engine. is it built to me mounted longitudnal or transverse? i want to retain the cars RWD because i will be doing a lot of drifting and autoX
-i know nothing about the swap...please help!!
any comment or correction is appreciated
thanks
That'll depend on your goal for this car and the budget. If you give me more info I'll help you out
I can at least tell you that the 3S-GTE will fit into the AE86. Here in the Netherlands, there are 3 AE86's driving around with a 3S-GTE conversion
Don't know the exact details on the cars, but I do know the man that built them in there.
But be warned. They do require some heavy modifications to fit and work!
That'll depend on your goal for this car and the budget. If you give me more info I'll help you out
my goal for this car is for it to be a well rounded road racer. suspension will be a main priority but i also want power...i figure what better way to make it then with boost. im going to be doing a lot of AutoX and drifting and most likely some drag racing. nothing to intense at the drag strip tho just a couple of passes to see my trap speeds. i just really love rwd cars and having a rwd coupe is exactly the kind of car i want. along with drifting and autox im going to be taking many a trip to lymerock etc. road courses of that type. i figured for autox the 4AGZE would be best but i kno enough about turbo setups that i really want high levels of boost. natually the engine would go through an overhaul before puttingher through those stress levels. as for my financial situation its not an issue to a point. i dont want to spend $30k onan 80s something corolla but i want ot build the car right. i dont take shortcuts when it comes to my automobiles ive already had one motor pop on me and i dont feel like going through that again. i am mechanically inclined and do have access to any and all tools, lifts etc that would be needed to preform this kind of project so thats not a problem either. my only problem is chosing the right setup for what i want to do seeing that im new to the toyota world....thanks
The 3S-GTE is made to handle lots of power to the engine (bulletproof).
Do you want drift or autocross because the setup shouldn't be the same.
I don't know the weight difference in the two engines so I can't say which setup is best for drifting/autocrossing but if I was to venture a guess I would say the 4AGZE is lighter and better suited for your twisty needs.
For power I would go for the 3S-GTE because there are a larger viarety of parts and probably cheaper as well. The 3S-GTE has more potential to generate more power.
The 3S-GTE is made to handle lots of power to the engine (bulletproof).
Do you want drift or autocross because the setup shouldn't be the same.
I don't know the weight difference in the two engines so I can't say which setup is best for drifting/autocrossing but if I was to venture a guess I would say the 4AGZE is lighter and better suited for your twisty needs.
For power I would go for the 3S-GTE because there are a larger viarety of parts and probably cheaper as well. The 3S-GTE has more potential to generate more power.
gotcha......im looking thru listings for both engines and it doesnt look like theyre setup for RWD.......with a 4AGZE or a 3SGTE will i be able to retain the RWD drivetrain....if they are not originally RWD is there a way to modify the engine mounting etc. to retin the chassis RWD platform?
you gonna have problems swapping both motors no matter what. take the lesser evil if you want or if you're up for it go big.
4AGZE: the lesser evil would be the 4AGZE as it will drop in with the OEM mounts but since your car has rotary now they've prolly modded the mounts already. you have to redo it agin to the stock ones. you also don't need to modify the firewall since the waterlines and dizzy will clear unlike other FWD->RWD motor swap (ie. 20V 4A-GE). the biggest problem with this swap is the relocation of top mount intercooler. the ones that i know who relocated they're IC to the front has cooling issues. i'm sure someone has done this right.
3SGTE: the biggest problem and i mean big is finding the a complete RWD conversion kit for this swap. and if you find one it'll prolly cost you more than an actual 3SGTE motor. you also need to do a lot of fabrication. modify the intake plenum, custom make the turbo manifold, modify the firewall to clear the waterlines and the dizzy and custom engine and tranny mounts. then you have to adapt the wiring harness to the chop harness on your car now. that'd be another problem for you since the car's wiring is prolly modded now after the rotary swap. after this you need to reinforce the chassis since you'll be putting down more hp than what the chassis was intended to have.
CONCLUSION: if i were you, i'd use the GZE engine minus the supercharger, then turbocharge it.. you'll be set. now you can concentrate on suspension and brakes w/c is the most important on what you're planning to do (auto-x, drift, track) remember there are tons of guys both in north america and asia still using the stock 90+whp motor on their cars and doing good on drift events. welcome to the toyota world.. unlike the hondas where you just swap a B series motor and you get mad props even though there's 2 milion others doing the same, hehehe. (i use to own an EK hatch, i've been there!)
goodluck on the project!
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thanks micro......help me make up my mind...gave me exact info i was looking for
. thanks again.
one quick question......now that ive decided on the 4AGZE what transmission matches up with it to retain RWD status...im guessing its the tranny from the 4AGE but like ive said before im new to the toyota world.
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No problem .. just to let you know that web is talking about installation into a lotus and the transmission (E series or C series) is the same ans the MR-2 and FWD corollas.
In the AE-86 you will be using the T-50 or one of its variants.
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1989 Corolla GTS -4agze propane (rebuilding ... again)
2005 Subaru Legacy (we'll see if if lasts as long as the Yota's)
2008 Yaris
since you're basically stwarting from scratch i'd suggest to just go with the W55 transmission instead of the T50. it'll be a better preparation for when you decide to put more boost on the car. if you do decide to get the W55 you'll need the a different bellhousing (wbox to 4A motor).
I'd stick with the supercharger for autox,even drifting just for the throttle response over a turbo.The stock sc12 supercharger can be spun up with pulleys to 12 lbs easily and the bottom end power will be very impressive over an equivolent turbo set-up(but should be down on peak power in comparison).A T-50 corolla trans will handle the boost for awhile depending on how rough it was when you got it and how hard you are on it when you drive it,you can either stock up on a couple trannies or like micro says upgrade to a celica box.
The corolla rear end is then next in the chain of weak links and will most likely shred ring and pinions with sticky tires,drag launches(autox)and a heathy dose of tq-around 200ft lbs should do the trick I think.Axles can also break,again the celica can be a source for a rear end swap but there're getting kinda rare these days.
I have a W trans but I'm not spending the cash for a bellhousing,I'd rather try and build my own adapter plate to mount the w box to the 4ag bell housing.I have a sc12 supercharged 20v(15 lbs boost) that I've built for my composite bodied full race AE86(mod class autox'er),once its up and running properly it should be very quick.
If you have any questions regarding chassis set-ups or engine related stuff just ask in case I can help.
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