200whp Na 2zz-ge - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

***PhatRoyale*** · 06-19-2007, 10:38 AM

Did a search beforehand, but nothing relating to this came up.

Has anyone here ever had the chance to break 200whp with a naturally aspirated 2ZZ-GE?

If so, what modifications do you have?

What kind of times do you run?

I know many Honda owners who have accomplished this on B-series and K-series motors with a few mods, but haven't really see Celica GT-S, Matrix XRS or Corolla XRS owners who have spoken up about it.

Any links or pics would help as well.

Flashmn · 06-19-2007, 11:19 AM

Personally I havent seen that many toyota owners (especially on this board) with new gen corollas that actually do any performance mods to them.
Few yes, but when you look at the honda crowd, well you see the difference pretty well. Mostly here its exhausts and cold air intakes...

Bitter · 06-19-2007, 01:45 PM

theres a vid of one with the hydra ems and some boltons that claims to dyno near 200whp iirc, it sounds pretty sick too. they lowered the vvtli engagement point along with a full tune.

Flashmn · 06-19-2007, 02:24 PM

doesnt VVTLi operate all the time instead of having an engagement point?

Considering the european corolla has 198hp out of the 2ZZ-GE, getting 200whp isnt impossible.

micro214_kp61 · 06-19-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flashmn

Personally I havent seen that many toyota owners (especially on this board) with new gen corollas that actually do any performance mods to them.

that's prolly coz of warranty issues.

i dunno about "a few mods" on B series but it'll take a lot more to get to 200whp on a B16. maybe the B18C1 w/c is basically a modded engine already. K series is a whole different beast. the RSX Type-s is already 200hp so all you need is intake and exhaust and some other small bolt mod and you'll hit 200whp.

Bitter · 06-19-2007, 10:59 PM

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...630172cf8d.htm

finally, thers the video i was thinking of. 180whp NA isnt too shabby.

***silver04rollas*** · 06-19-2007, 11:09 PM

All of the following info is backed by SAE corrected dyno videos and graphs proof so there are no "possibilities" or "maybes" here.

You can even check newcelica.org dyno database to see dyno graphs and the corresponding output.

Yes, 200 WHP is doable. Although, mostly 2ZZ-GE modified and highly tuned engines these days are in the 190 WHP range.

In order to get it to 185 - 190 wheel HP (like the video posted above), the following mods are required:

Cold air intake, exhaust, flywheel, clutch, hydra EMS stand alone tuning with lift and VVT or Apexi PFC tuned from 5500 - 8700 rpm.

Remember, bonestock, Corolla XRS dynos between 150 - 152 whp.

Putting cold air intake and exhaust makes it dyno between 165 - 170 whp mainly because of stock intake box and exhaust being too restrictive for fuel economy and emissions reasons. This is one of the reasons why 2ZZ in Europe made more power in addition to different ECU.

Therefore, getting to 185 - 190 whp will require both VVT and lift tuning. Cheers.

***PhatRoyale*** · 06-19-2007, 11:52 PM

I know all that does exist, but have there really been any 2ZZ-GE owners who have actually reached the magic 200whp mark?

Anything out there that is well documented?

Bitter · 06-20-2007, 12:03 AM

iirc the supercharged 2zzge in the corolla compressor and exige S are around the 200whp mark.

***PhatRoyale*** · 06-20-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bitter

iirc the supercharged 2zzge in the corolla compressor and exige S are around the 200whp mark.

LOL

Read the thread title, I said naturally aspirated setups, not boost

***silver04rollas*** · 06-20-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PhatRoyale

I know all that does exist, but have there really been any 2ZZ-GE owners who have actually reached the magic 200whp mark?

Anything out there that is well documented?

Currently the most powerful N/A 2ZZ-GEs are in the 190 - 195 whp (230 - 235 crank HP N/A from a 1.8 liter engine with the flattest torque curve imaginable from 4000 rpm - 8700 rpm in 2500 - 2600 lbs car). So, no 200 WHP 2ZZ-GE N/A yet as far as I know.

However, turbocharged 2ZZ-GE are even up to 290 - 350 WHP.

Monkey Wrench Racing has a 505 WHP 2ZZ-GE with only low compression pistons swapped in. Everything else is bone stock down to the fuel rails and intake manifold etc.

Bitter · 06-20-2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PhatRoyale

LOL

Read the thread title, I said naturally aspirated setups, not boost

i know, i was just mentioning them as they do make the stated power. FI may be what it takes to safely break 200WHP on the 2ZZ-GE

***PhatRoyale*** · 06-20-2007, 12:35 AM

All I want is a 2ZZ that produces a N/A 200WHP that can be daily driven reliably as well as tracked on weekends. I don't want the hassles and headaches that come with turbo kits, superchargers or nitrous setups. I guess the sad reality is that I'm asking for the impossible here...