Originally posted by micro214_kp61 ^^^ yeah, but you can brake later with an FF than with an FR when taking corners. i've seen guys at shannonville driving FF cars, they brake way later than FRs. but that's just my observation!
Here in Jersey, everyone, well almost everyone, loves it the old school style, especially in the tracks or the streets.
My team and I, which consists of 24 members, 12 are drag racers and the others are drifters and auto crossers, I would say about 15 of us have a tricked out AE92 Sedans and Coupes (all are FF: except for my rich friend who converter his Sedan to an FR and have manual transmission installed in his engine block) and all 15 cars can drift in corners almost as good as any RWD cars.
We have competed against some teams here in the mountainous part of the suburban Jersey (you can say we're all trying to live our lives based on Initial D) with cars against the late 80's Mustang, Camaros, Civics, one Skyline, a WRX, and some Lancer finatics, and when our AE92s hit these mountain passes against these cars, their amazement and the looks on their faces simply says it all.
Although I haven't drivin' an AE86, the hype about this car gives me the chills. The only concern that I have between putting the AE86 and the AE91 Coupe is that the initial acceleration on both cars are different. I saw two of my friends who drove these two cars against each other in a drift contest and I observe that the AE86 is, indeed, fast in entering the corner, but on the exit, the AE91 Coupe took over the lead because of it's higher acceleration.
I really don't know which one to get because of this simple dilemma that I am facing. Does anyone have any input on this?
Most FR drivers that I know who have a high horsepower on their car relies on their e brakes
While some FRs use the heel-toe technique in their driving.
It really depends on the situation. In some corners, if your reaction in braking is a little bit late, pulling your ebrakes puts your car in a slide drift. In FF cars I use both the brake pedal then the ebrakes when entering a corner.
Originally posted by TofuRacer Most FR drivers that I know who have a high horsepower on their car relies on their e brakes
While some FRs use the heel-toe technique in their driving.
It really depends on the situation. In some corners, if your reaction in braking is a little bit late, pulling your ebrakes puts your car in a slide drift. In FF cars I use both the brake pedal then the ebrakes when entering a corner.
^^^ if i'm not mistaken, you're talking about drifting styles here, right? now, what i was telling VooDoo.Priest is NOT drifting but merely track style racing. ie heeland toe, left foot braking.
VooDoo.Priest... i first got the info from TRUENO, that at shannoville the FF cars CAN late brake compared to the FR corollas, this is after he tried both cars with the same driving style. let's say your going 90km/h entering a corner with an FR car, the FFs can do around 105-110km/h. again, this is just an observation. i'm thinking FF cars would easier for it has all the weight to the front where the throttle is reponding. so you put more throttle and cotrol it at the same time. on the other hand, the FRs are relying on the back diff for throttle and steering on the loose front. this is the simplest way, i can think of but anyone, feel free to comment and correct me.
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Although I haven't drivin' an AE86, the hype about this car gives me the chills
That's all it is, hype. Mostly started by kids who just watched Initial D and now believe these cars can beat higher powered cars like the skyline, silvia and lancer evo, etc.
The ae86 is a slow and underpowered car, but I like mine because it's fun to drive.
Originally posted by hachi_slow That's all it is, hype. Mostly started by kids who just watched Initial D and now believe these cars can beat higher powered cars like the skyline, silvia and lancer evo, etc.
The ae86 is a slow and underpowered car, but I like mine because it's fun to drive.
...as long as it's fun for you who cares what everyone thinks!
... but it's sure hell nice to have one of those skylines though!
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So if I were to buy an AE86 and an AE91 Coupe, both are being sold for the same price, and I would use that car simply for drift racing and car shows, which one would be the best?
Originally posted by TofuRacer So if I were to buy an AE86 and an AE91 Coupe, both are being sold for the same price, and I would use that car simply for drift racing and car shows, which one would be the best?
my opinion......... AE86 hands-down! 90% of drifters in japan are using FRs. plus, don't you have an AE92 already? so go get rear drive car now man, hehe!
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Originally posted by TofuRacer Although I haven't drivin' an AE86, the hype about this car gives me the chills. The only concern that I have between putting the AE86 and the AE91 Coupe is that the initial acceleration on both cars are different. I saw two of my friends who drove these two cars against each other in a drift contest and I observe that the AE86 is, indeed, fast in entering the corner, but on the exit, the AE91 Coupe took over the lead because of it's higher acceleration.
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Originally posted by micro214_kp61 ^^^ if i'm not mistaken, you're talking about drifting styles here, right? now, what i was telling VooDoo.Priest is NOT drifting but merely track style racing. ie heeland toe, left foot braking.
VooDoo.Priest... i first got the info from TRUENO, that at shannoville the FF cars CAN late brake compared to the FR corollas, this is after he tried both cars with the same driving style. let's say your going 90km/h entering a corner with an FR car, the FFs can do around 105-110km/h. again, this is just an observation. i'm thinking FF cars would easier for it has all the weight to the front where the throttle is reponding. so you put more throttle and cotrol it at the same time. on the other hand, the FRs are relying on the back diff for throttle and steering on the loose front. this is the simplest way, i can think of but anyone, feel free to comment and correct me.
First off that is right I'm not really talking about drifting. I'm talking about actual racing. I wanted to know what kind of breaking method they were using because depending on the methods they use they will start to stop earlier or later. Like for example they may have been both doing thresh hold braking but one guy might do it when entering the corner while the other might use it in adaption to trail breaking. So if this is done one guy will stop erlier then the other but will be able to accelorate through the turn while the other guy is slowing down on it and accelorating later. So what I'm saying is all because you enter a corner faster does not mean you are going to exit faster as well.
Now as far as observations go as we look at these 2 exapmlpes obervations and find they conflict. The problem with this is that the cars may have not bees equaly modded or the drivers skills were not equal or what ever other variables you want to add in. The only real way to test this out is to mod both cars to equal specs and then have drivers with equal skill level drive them. And as far as slower acceloration on a AE86 goes, that is nothing a new gear ratio can't fix.
i hear what you're saying here VooDoo.Priest, but just like i said earlier it was just an observation on my part that the FFs can carry more speed going in and out of the corner. if i try the same method and speed driving my car into the same corner it would result to a spin put or a lock-up. but hey, come summertime you can prove me wrong... hehe!
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Originally posted by micro214_kp61 i hear what you're saying here VooDoo.Priest, but just like i said earlier it was just an observation on my part that the FFs can carry more speed going in and out of the corner. if i try the same method and speed driving my car into the same corner it would result to a spin put or a lock-up. but hey, come summertime you can prove me wrong... hehe!
You'll probably slaughter me as I'm quite inexperianced but I'm up for the challenge.
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Mostly started by kids who just watched Initial D and now believe these cars can beat higher powered cars like the skyline, silvia and lancer evo, etc.
90% of drifters in japan are using FRs. plus, don't you have an AE92 already? so go get rear drive car now man, hehe!
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