what's all this hype with the 20V

[Lafora]

ok..i'll be the first to admit, THAT swap crossed my mind too (along with several other swaps)

but why does it always get mentioned when someoen's looking for a NA swap?

the 5th gen 3SGE is nowhere near as popular, and the latter overpowers the former by quite a bit.

[mr_sinister]

i think the fact taht its a 4a engine has a lot to do with it.. less work.. 20V or GZE swaps are enough work as it is

[goodcookiedrift]

I think its the whole novelty of it being a jdm motor. Where I do think the 20v is a really good platform, it does not always suit the needs of those inquiring about the sawp.

I tend to think people are swayed because its a '170 hp' engine. However, ppl fail to realize that it's only between a very narrow rpm range in which it generates that 170 hp. Like most hihgh hp, 4 cylinder engines, the 20v has an extremely peaky power band...just look at some dynos.

What most want in an engine swap is acreditted to the gze. good bottom end, strong mid range and a somewhat flat torque curve....all great attributes of pumping off the lights. but if you want high strung top end for track...well then a 20v might be a consideration.

Nick

[Lafora]

how true is it that the 20Vs are only around 145-150 hp on "indepedent" bench tests?

cuz that's the number i've seen on one guy's page, and several ppl's been saying that on the 4ag board too.

[neil85AE86]

man, 20v, it's a bi*ch to install unless you run aftermarket ignition...

but less of a bi*ch than the 3sgte.. Toysport quoted me $6500 in parts to do the 3sgte swap.... for another $700 they'd throw in a gen 3 NA motor.....wooopee

as I've said before, I'd take a 170HP bluetop over a 20v. Both have lightweight bottom ends, same bore, same stroke, infact the bluetop has a considerably lighter crank and probably revs better, both would be pretty much maxed but one is much easier to get parts for than the other, and you don't need to go through the headaches of installing...

cost of a OEM 20v install... $4500-5000, cost of a rebuilt bluetop, with hi-comp pistons, balanced, shotpeened, ported, cams, bigger injectors, header. about $2500.

my 2 cents

Neil

[Lafora]

:smile: after i had that talk with you last nite

but thx for showing me the light

[Voodoo.Priest]

I know this is completely off topic but has anyone else knoticed that Lafora's signature image bares a Honda logo on it? I just can't stop staring at it now that I'v seen it. Were you aware that it had the logo on it?

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[bondobondo]

bluetop revs better.

nuff said.

[Lafora]

On 2002-04-01 23:53, Voodoo.Priest wrote:
I know this is completely off topic but has anyone else knoticed that Lafora's signature image bares a Honda logo on it? I just can't stop staring at it now that I'v seen it. Were you aware that it had the logo on it?

do you recognize the HELMET of the driver in that image?

if not, i suggest you do some research. if you are a tifosi fan, own up, cuz you and i have to have a lil &quot;talk&quot; :grin:

i used that pic cuz of the DRIVER, not cuz of the car. tho i wouldn't mind having one of those things parked in my garage.

it's a Honda logo, big fvcking deal. yah this is a Toyota board, ya i drive a toyota, so what. give credit where it's due..they had some pretty good fvcking engines back then, wouldn't you say? (as far as F1 goes anyway)

[goodcookiedrift]

hey andrew i contemplated the bluetop crank in the red hat, but aren't the rod size and main bearings different?

nick

[mr_sinister]

yeah the bearing sizes are different..

what i wonder is , why does it seem like all the japanese drifters/racers *always* use the redtop block/bigger crank/bigger rods..

there must be something to that..

then again, they are abusing their engines a lot more than i ever would...

[bondobondo]

yah i think the bearing sizes are diff, but i don't get it, i have read that people are putting blue top cranks into red top blocks all the time,

hence my engine.
7 rib outside but bluetop inside

i am thinking look for 88 -90 engines, cuz those i think for sure are exactly what i was saying. they are 7 rib but also tvis. not 100% about crank

that guy on club4ag, like jspec's buddy, those 2 gys that are hyping the turbo kits and stuff, he is from malaysia and he did it.

[mr_sinister]

I have an 88-90 ae92 4age in my car.. its got red lettering, 7 ribs, but low comp big port t-vis head

from what i've read that motor still has the bigger crank/rods.. not too sure about the oil squirters tho..

who's putting a blue top crank in a red top block??

[goodcookiedrift]

I was going o put a bluetop crank in my red top. But my red top is a chigh comp and i remember hearing that the rod sizing and bearing sizing are different.

I don't know if all that work is worth it...just for a freer reving engine.

nick

[Voodoo.Priest]

On 2002-04-02 02:06, Lafora wrote:

do you recognize the HELMET of the driver in that image?

if not, i suggest you do some research. if you are a tifosi fan, own up, cuz you and i have to have a lil &quot;talk&quot; :grin:

i used that pic cuz of the DRIVER, not cuz of the car. tho i wouldn't mind having one of those things parked in my garage.

it's a Honda logo, big fvcking deal. yah this is a Toyota board, ya i drive a toyota, so what. give credit where it's due..they had some pretty good fvcking engines back then, wouldn't you say? (as far as F1 goes anyway)

Sorry man it's not like that I was just wondering if you knew it was there. I'd be a liar if I said I wouldent take the keys to that ride. To be honest Honda does make some good cars. I just specifically hate the Civic because allot of people I have met only ever give the reason that it is cool and it can get pimped up mad as the reason for wanting to buy/own that car.(I do not concider a CRX as a Civic). But I do not know who tifosi is.