4age 20v vs 4agze

[Trini]

Hey guys, i'm a newbie when it comes to engine mods. I'm in the process of choosing an engine swap for my ae91. I want a reliable engine with enough power to pass the slow idiots on the highway. The car is intended to be a daily driver not for the track. Which engine do you guys suggest i buy?

[cleartwo]

the ze.

[lex_addict]

for city, gze since it has low end torque...but i guess for higher rpm highway driving, 20 valve would be the way to go, since it emphasizes peak power...

my bluetop is just fine on the highway...but in slower traffic, i really gotta wind it up, but then again 4age isnt a torquey engine at all...i guess u just gotta know where the powerband of ur engine is...

anybody else?

[thespud]

^^ I'm with him... If it's power on the street your looking at and dont care about fuel consumption, go with the gze. If hovever, you do care about fuel consumption and would like something for the highway (or even rally), go the n/a 20v.

The reason i say this is because the gze will always chew more juice due to the extra load of the supercharger, although not much from what i hear. The 20v tho, on the highway, drop it back a gear when passing and you instantly hit 'power band' which is about 5000-7000rpm. Considering those things with the C52 can do 140km/h in 3rd, you have 3 gears to choose from on the highway without any problem. They will also give you around 500km per 45L tank on the highway

They are also good for rally purpouses coz when rallying, the whole point is to keep the revs as high as possible for max. power, thus the engine always has VVT activated at least, if not it is in the 'power band' of the engine.

*Podantic mode* Note: 4 strokes dont actually have a 'power band' as such, its just when your horsepower is rising more rapidly than at other times, thus giving the feel of exponential acceleration like in a 2 stroke or a boosted application. */Podantic mode*

[MR1]

Originally posted by Trini
Hey guys, i'm a newbie

for a self-proclaimed noob, here's a quick link to un-noob yourself quickly

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/search.php

[micro214_kp61]

20V 4AGZTE

[Flashmn]

Note: 4 strokes dont actually have a 'power band'

Sure they do

[thespud]

Originally posted by micro214_kp61
20V 4AGZTE

Watch This Space..

[Trini]

Thanks for d info guys. Is the 20v more reliable than the gze under fairly aggresive driving conditions?

[tk421]

heh, i'm also a noob... and a trini ... ie - meaning that i am from trinidad.

i've a 20V blacktop and my friend has a 4AGZE. mines has more power overall, so i beat him in a long run easily. he has more torque, so he should beat me on 1/4mi. But the only time we ran together on 1/4mi his tranny was crapping out on 2nd... so he pulled ahead in 1st and then it was a wash out for him after i hit 2nd... by 3rd he gave up.

[VooDoo]

Originally Posted by micro214_kp61

20V 4AGZTE

i like!

[REN69]

holy shit.. this topic has been brought up so many times!

It depends on what you wanna do really..

If you wanna go red light whoring.. the GZE will get the Civics down on their knees faster than Bill Clinton.

If you're doing track and other types of racing other than drag racing, any bluetop, redtop 16V or Silvertop or Blacktop 20V 4AGE's with decent mods will do the job.

[Chris Corolla S]

This thread has some very good 20V vs gze points if you can slog through all of it.
There are comments by people who have owned both:

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t18556.html

[toyotaspeed90]

god, i got through about 3 pages of bickering and nobodies personal experience that i got fed up with it.....

i HAVE ridden in a 20V..... it was in a 6th gen celica (was having clutch problems, but the clutch felt strong TO ME).... it FELT about the same as my smallport (which is in terrible shape and running on a 4afe ecu) in my ae92.... (happy people? that is all fact based and not biased)..... compared to my gze it's nothing..... another local mr2 dyno'd at 120.9whp and wasn't having VVT or clutch issues...... i'm guessing my mr2 will dyno around 160whp and 150wtq...... before tuning

[REN69]

watch out... dude is gonna come out again and start a fight with you.