gearboxes!!!!!!

[bananaman]

hi all,i found ur forum by accident and its awesome
let me introduce myself,im 14 years old and i live in New Zealand,im a major toyota lover and ive had a range of farm cars(which i drive on my farm coz im not old enough to drive on the road,anyways i recently got a 1986 toyota corolla hatchback (xl) ,anyways ive never owned a toyota before and my gearbox is wered,when im in second i can go back to neutral without using my clutch,now im wondering if this is common on the corolla gearboxes,or is myne stuffed??
thank you all ,and let me say you guys have a great forum and ill definately be hangin around (sorry just had to check out the smileys)

[Ostornadoe]

Welcome to TN! With mine, 94, if you try and push it into neutral from second it resists, but if you push it hard enough, it will go. Figured it out on accident one day. If there's no resistance going from 2nd to neutral and the car runs fine, then it's probably ok?

[toyotaspeed90]

all manual transmissions can be put into neutral w/o using the clutch..... in fact, if you're good you can shift w/o using the clutch as well

[NDR008]

You can put in neutral when u release the accelerator.
And as toyotaspeed90 said, you can shift without clutch. I can upshift without clutch on most of my cars. But i cannot downshift all gears, and, i only knew how to do it on some gears, on my rolla and on my hyundai. (reason is, on downshifts, you need to jump the rpm up by blipping the throttle while in neutral, which means u need to know the rpm needed, you need to know how to blip the throttle to that rpm, and be confident enough that you did it right and push in the gear - do it wrong and u might hear a kkrrrrrrr).

[Ostornadoe]

I never knew that.... How exactly are you suppose to shift without the clutch? just at a certain rpm's it's able to be shifted?

[Chris Corolla S]

^ Right you just match the speed of the engine with the wheels basically...

[NDR008]

That's right, you have to match speeds. I can try explain it to you, but i only succeed to do it through all the gears only when i rely on sound and instinct, if i think about it, i generally mess it up and hear that bad grind sound.
Basically, when you clutch and pass those few seconds clutched, the syncro mesh matches the speeds for ya, so in a non syncro mesh tranny you would have to know how to shift gears with matched speeds - the same theory used for clutchless shifting.

Let me give u an idea of how hard it is by explaining a downshift
you are at a constant 60km/h in 3rd gear at 2000rpm, if you had to clutch and shift down to 2nd, the rpm would jump to around 4000 perhaps.
Now, to do it clutchless.
Drive up to the constant 60km/h, release gas, pull out gear lever, blip the throttle to make the engine jump to very close about of 4000rpm. and push the lever into 2nd!
Goodluck, and may god have mercy on all the gearboxes of ppl that try this.

[Flashmn]

^ Right you just match the speed of the engine with the wheels basically...

Well.. sort of... You have to match the input and output shaft speeds inside the tranny,

[NDR008]

I wouldn't really recommend clutchless shifting, it will prolong ur clutch's life to infinity if u can do it perfectly, but the risk of ruining ur tranny is higher, MUCH higher.

[micro214_kp61]

Originally Posted by NDR008

Goodluck, and may god have mercy on all the gearboxes of ppl that try this.

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ok, that's my 1000th post! wehehehehe

[Flashmn]

Well the clutch is the part that is expendable, no sense shifting without it, unless you had a clutch failure and your clutch wont disengage....

[NDR008]

Exactly, never the less, if you can do it well, nice trick to confuse your friends :P

[Flashmn]

Its also a nice trick to become the laughingstock for the whole village, when you show off to your pals and manage to screw it up sending the transmission to automobile heaven.

[NDR008]

Well, never happened :P
Besides, i was the countries new when i flipped one of my cars, i am know as the guy not ride with if you love your life :P

[Flashmn]

i am know as the guy not ride with if you love your life

HAhah, I know how that goes... I offered a friend a ride to this race track (track day).. he said, he'd rather go with someone else, "I dont want to be white when we get there"... I told him "naah, you wont be white, maybe have a healthy red on your face"