Hey guys, I have a 99 rolla 5 speed that is in need of new engine. I would like to go with a silvertop 20v but don't know now much trouble it will be. Has anyone out there done this swap? I can do the wiring and even fab motor mounts if it comes to that but I am just trying to find out if this is a real hard swap. I know I could go with a 2ZZ from a Celica but that will probably drive the cost of this swap out of my reach.
i think the 99 corolla uses a 5afe engine. the 1.8l 4inline. IF the engine uses a 5a-fe then its the same family and can bolt a 20v in np. with the proper wireharness, tranny, assessories, yadda yadda..pretty much a full front clip, your set !! 6 speed and everything !
99 is 1ZZ-FE non-VVTi.
5A-FE is 1.5L, 7A-FE is 1.8L, 4A-FE is 1.6L.
You'll need to cut and weld engine mount, need ECU, tranny, wiring, maybe drive axle.
Also the 20V need parts from Japan. US dealer don't carry them.
^ Yes the 99 Corolla has the non-VVT-i 1ZZ-fe. 120HP 125Lb-Ft.
There is no easy swap for a 1ZZ except another 1ZZ. You could build a Turbo 1ZZ with forged internals from MonkeyWrenchRacing.com and a Stafford Turbo Kit.
You could swap a 2ZZ-GE, it has been done (see SuperShyGuy's Blue Corolla I think it's a 99 and it has a 2zz swap). But you're right the 2zz will be pretty expensive.
As for an A-series engine it will fit in the engine bay but beyond that it would be hard. Your 99 is OBD-II I think the wiring/ecu/etc. might be a problem. That being said anything can be done with money. Check out Fensport, they have a Corolla with a 3S-GTE in it making like 300HP or something.
If you don't have a lot of cash and this your daily driver but you want some more power, you could get a VVT-i 1zz and a bunch of bolt-ons. Celica GT intake mainfold and throttle body, Cold Air Intake. JP Header. High-flow cat. Thermal R&D cat-back. Lightweight Flywheel, sport clutch. Kazz or TRD japan LSD. Sticky Rubber, etc. Check out www.monkeywrenchracing.com, www.fensport.com, www.turbocorolla.com, see supershyguy's car on www.cardomain.com or on www.vvt-i.net.
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Last edited by Chris Corolla S; 12-23-2004 at 11:41 AM.
Thanks for the info and I was hoping someone might have tried this swap and I could get some first hand info for them. I still would like to try it. This is my daily driver and I have a 120m round trip to work so I still have to look at the mpg thing or go broke just driving. I had read on www.club4ag.com where someone was looking for 20v parts for his buddy that was putting a 20v in his 98 rolla which has the same engine as mine but he has never answer his pm from me. I will have to decide on something pretty soon, my present engine is starting to knock when its cold. I have to baby it, keep it below 2k, until it warms up to hold the noise down.
thanks again, WD
Right now I too busy with my son's 92 MR2, pulling or better said dropping the motor and trans to do a rebuild while I am off on the holidays to even think about my car which he is driving, hope he takes it easy or I will be driving his car and he will be walking! Later WD
not a good idea to use 20V as daily driver. As I said earlier, parts are from Japan so if something broke down, you're looking at 2 weeks min for them to arrive. Unless you found local supplier who stock them.
The newer cars are somewhat heavier than the early models typical to an engine swap like the one you mentioned; I don't think you'd gain as much since the torque available from the high-revving 20V is about the same as your existing engine.
Don't they have a supercharger kit for the newer cars?
Hey Guys, thanks for the ideas but I am not really after a bunch of horsepower Just looking for a replacement for the 1ZZ thats in my rolla and was thinking about doing something different. Don't want to go the supercharger route, want to stay NA besides the engine I now have is sick and will have to be replaced soon. So that means I have to find another. This replacement motor I got from a local wrecking yard must have had some crankcase venting issues because it is really bad junked up and is now knocking when cold like I said before. As far as using the 20v for my daily driver, I think it will be OK as long as I replaced the things that can go wrong at the beginning, seals and stuff. I mean I drove a 91 rolla for 285K without having to go into the engine SO I would think that Toyota built the 20v with the same quality, I mean they are daily drivers in Toyota land, right?
Anyway, my reasons for a 20v, higher revs (the 1ZZ redlines at about 6K) and I spend most of my driving on the highway and when I try to pass I have to downshift to 3rd, because both 4th and 5th are overdrive and when you stand on it nothing happens, to get any punch and before I know it I'm at redline. The 20v would let me pull a gear a lot longer before I run out of revs. Yes I know they are older motors but I think they are still good engines. I read up on the 1ZZ and there are issues with the heads IMO, mainly with the valve seats, they are not steel inserts but sprayed on seats and very, very thin, you will not be able to do valve jobs on these heads long term. And this will be my third engine in this same car and I just wanted to do something different if its possible without breaking the bank on $ and time. I thought about doing it when I put the second motor in (after I overreved the orginal and blew it up! didn't have a tach and missed a shift, not pretty!) but I was under a very short time frame and needed to get my car back on the road so I went with a 1ZZ. But now I have more time to prepare for the swap so that got me to wondering just what would fit.
Looking at pictures that I have found on the net of the Silvertop motor mounts they look very very close to the same as whats in my 99 but I would still like to hear from someone who has done this swap first hand. The only post I have seen was on Club4ag and it was by a friend of someone who was doing the swap in a 98 and he hasn't responsed to my PM or post. His id is TeamTRJ if anyone knows him, help me out and get him to log in to club4ag and check his pms.
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the '98 and '99 Levin in Japan has the blacktop 20v. So the engine mounts, axles, etc should be very similar.
Will it be a hard swap? Yes. But if you can fab engine mounts and do wiring, then you're all set.
Right now I'm swapping a 2ZZGE into a '98 (same as yours), and it's difficult. 3 of the 4 mounts needed some modification, the axles and hubs needed modification, the wiring is all custom as usual, etc etc etc.
So, if you decide to go ahead with it, let me know, I'd be glad to help (I'm in northern VT).
I'd rather have a 2ZZ-GE than a 4A-GE 20V, more power on the 2ZZ.
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The 20v would let me pull a gear a lot longer before I run out of revs. Yes I know they are older motors but I think they are still good engines.
Well you'd be close to redline to get power from it, those 20V's arent exactly torque monsters, if you want overtaking power, slap on a supercharger.
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I thought about doing it when I put the second motor in (after I overreved the orginal and blew it up! didn't have a tach and missed a shift, not pretty!)
Hardly the fault of the engine being "bad", thats operator fault.
JDLangevin thanks for the offer for help and I agree with you about the blacktops, they were offer as an option thru 99 so they should fit. I am not sure which one I prefer the silver or black. I was thinking the silver because it runs 10.5 comp when the black runs 11 to 1 which with our gas, I think the ECU would reduce the timing due to knocking which would hurt but power and MPG. I took a look at your project and man did you luck up to get the 2ZZGE! That would be great for me too but how many times does that happen? I can do the mounts or I can get my son to fab them for me, he's a cerified welder and as far the as the wiring goes, no problem I am a Instrument Tech and I have found the diagrams on the net so OK there.
Flashmn, Yes I know that the 20v is a high rever and doesn't have a lot of torque but neither does the 1ZZ so if I can keep about the same torque and get a couple more 1000 rpms then I would be able to pull 3rd gear longer before I have to upshift into the first overdrive. I never said that the 1ZZ was a "bad" motor just that it tops out at about 6K and the valve seats can't be cut more than once. I was not blaming the motor for what I did wrong or the second motor for being sludged up which was the owner of the donor's car for not taking care of his engine. I like the pulling of the 1ZZ it just that it runs out to soon and the 1ZZ I have is NOT rebuildable due to excessive wear. Yes a Supercharger would get me much more torque at the price of another 1ZZ and the SC which puts me into the 2ZZ swap price range. So what to do, I really don't want a torque monster just a different engine that doesn't knock when its cold and doesn't go thru a quart of oil ever 300-400 miles. Yes, a good used 1ZZ would be just fine but then I have to deal with the low revs. Yes it could be modded to rev higher but wouldn't that just drive the cost above installing a motor that is already designed to rev that high? I mean the ECU would have to be changed and then are there parts for the valvetrain to keep it together at 8K? I don't know. SO for me it just looks like for my needs and wants that the 20v is the way to go and all I have been doing is asking for someone who has done this swap or who knows someone who has to let me know what to watch out for and what parts I will need to make this successful so my daily driver will not be sidelined for too long.
But thanks again to all who wrote, I am not trying to slam anyone I value each and ever input that I got and everyone has their viewpoint, and I respect that. Right now I am just in the planning stage and looking for the wisdom of my peers.
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