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reym · 01-03-2005, 08:36 PM

My 82 corolla vibrates at 2000 rpm no matter what is the speed. It sounds like "trrrg". Engine is not misfiring for sure, and definitely it is not on the steering side cause I don't feel any vibrations on the steering wheel. I think the vibration is more of an annoying sound.

What could be causing it?

Ukrainian102 · 01-03-2005, 09:43 PM

Where is it coming from? Under the hood? Under the car?

reym · 01-03-2005, 09:49 PM

Thanks for the reply! I can't fully locate where it is coming from but I whenever I am at 80 KM/HR I can hear vibrating noises and it is a lot louder when I pressed the clutch pedal or put it to neutral. But when the odometer reads <70 KM /HR the vibration is no longer felt or audible.

karugs · 01-03-2005, 10:04 PM

It will get louder because you won't hear the engine running. Dalhin mo sa isang shop, marami naman dyan patignan mo lang kung may makita sila. Pag meron tell us what they found.

Are your engine mounts OK? What about alignment/balancing? You said the steering wheel doesn't vibrate so hindi alignment/balancing. Could be something loose. How is it at idle? At 1000 rpm?

Anything else you noticed?

reym · 01-03-2005, 11:00 PM

Thanks karugs!
I can't find a shop here in the Philippines with troubleshooting expertise.(Wala akong makitang magaling na shop dito sa pinas - noong una naninikit preno ko lahat ng shop na dinalhan ko nilinis lang at pinalitan caliper pero check ko mabuti hose lang pala problema.)

Engine mounts are Ok, Front wheels are aligned and balanced. At 1000 rpm the engine is smooth but as I put on some throttle (in neutral) I can see some slight engine vibrations but it is not felt inside the car.

There are some things that I have noticed:
1. I can hear some squeking sound at the aircon pulley whenever I start the engine but goes away when the engine is already warm.
2. The exhast pipe is very near the body
3. The clutch already slides
4. A mechanic changed the timing chain a few months ago.

PS: When did you leave the Philippines? Where are you now?

karugs · 01-04-2005, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by reym

Thanks karugs!
I can't find a shop here in the Philippines with troubleshooting expertise.(Wala akong makitang magaling na shop dito sa pinas - noong una naninikit preno ko lahat ng shop na dinalhan ko nilinis lang at pinalitan caliper pero check ko mabuti hose lang pala problema.)

Engine mounts are Ok, Front wheels are aligned and balanced. At 1000 rpm the engine is smooth but as I put on some throttle (in neutral) I can see some slight engine vibrations but it is not felt inside the car.

There are some things that I have noticed:
1. I can hear some squeking sound at the aircon pulley whenever I start the engine but goes away when the engine is already warm.
2. The exhast pipe is very near the body
3. The clutch already slides
4. A mechanic changed the timing chain a few months ago.

PS: When did you leave the Philippines? Where are you now?

Reym,

It seems you prefer DIY. Good!

You mention front wheels are aligned and balanced. What about the rear?

At 1000 rpm the slight engine vibration should be normal since your mounts are ok. Torque yon that pulls the engine to one side. It won't be felt. My car did the same back there.

For the things you've noticed:
1. Replace "fan belt" or aircon belt, the squeaking is a sign it's loose. When it's warmed up it will grip the pulley wheel good enough to not squeak I believe. My friend has the same thing in his 1990 Honda.
2. Could be the culprit causing the trrrrrg (the "rrrr" sounds like a vibrating sound--pipe constantly hitting the body)
3. If clutch slides, it would shudder somewhat. I would replace that too when you have time and resources. Mine went and I was towed by MMDA. NOT a good experience... but I hear it's cheap for 1,000 pesos where private tow trucks tow u for more... anyway...
4. If the mechanic changed the timing chain that's good, but I don't suspect anything here.

I would fix #2 first. Sounds like the most imminent source of the sound, plus vibration. Then I would check #3.

Came here in the US (Anaheim, CA) 1.5 years ago. Nagbakasyon ako dyan last April-June 2004, and hopefully will go home this June also. Where in PI are you? I know somebody near our hometown na magaling magmekaniko. Suki kami sa kanila--I could refer you kung malapit lang.

Here's a simple test. Run the engine at 1,000 2,000 and 3,000 rpm. At what speed do you hear the trrrrg sound? Do you hear it in neutral only? How about at speed?

As a last resort try mo shut off yung car, and rock it sideways. Does that induce a sound from the rear? If so then I'd suspect the pipe. Put a rubber piece between it and the body (kahit kahoy pwede, basta may cushion) and see if the noise goes away. If it does I'd go back to that piece and fasten it well para hindi mahulog.

If the noise doesn't go away it could be something else, maybe the clutch. I would go from least expensive to most expensive, baka maliit lang na problema yan like your brake hose (where you didn't have to replace the calipers after all).

reym · 01-04-2005, 01:52 AM

Karugs,

DIY! We Filipinos are one of the best in the world when it comes to technical jobs.
Especially you, you can never be accepted there without a talent right?

Kabayan, Before, it does sounds "trrrg" whenever I geared from stop, I noticed that
the lower piece of metal sheet that covers the bottom of the tank was defomed, as a result it sticks to the exhaust pipe. I then twisted it a bit and now there is no more
trrgg sound at idle (neutral) or gearing. It only shows at 2K rpm now, do you think I should twist it further more? And one more thing: I noticed that the cross joint has a little tick sound when I release the clutch, also I think the release bearing is already noisy.

I work near banawe QC, and Pasong Tamo Makati, but I live in Imus Cavite.
If you recommend someone that means that one is good!

Ok, I'll try the Pipe,then the cross joint, then the belts or pulleys then the clutch components (Lining,Release Bearing and Pressure Plate).

Pag dadaan ka sa QC or Makati or Cavite e-mail mo ako gala tayo, I'll show you my car. reym@phildata.com or joymonta2k@yahoo.com

karugs · 01-04-2005, 02:22 AM

"We Filipinos are one of the best in the world when it comes to technical jobs."--> agree with that! Bigyan mo lang ng tip yung gagawa, solb ka na!

If you sense that the sound is the same "trrrg" even after you twisted it, chances are something else causes the sound in that area. Maybe you could be better off with lowering the pipe just slightly, or while it's lowered you could reattach that metal piece under the tank. That way you solved two problems in one go. Kasi kung lower pipe lang, baka bumalik ung tunog and you'll have to do it again.

I would suggest against twisting it even more, baka masira pa yan. If you have time you could lower the exhaust pipe a bit, remove that metal piece if you can, and restraighten and install some form of cushion like rubber pieces, bushings, or anything that will prevent the sound. Maybe before that there was something in between that got disloged so I'd look for signs. If you can't remove it, see if you can stick something in between.

I don't know much about clutches, but if it's slipping then I'd have it changed sooner than later. Mahirap na, alam mo naman ang MMDA madugo at hindi bibigay unless bayaran mo. If you'll have it changed, upgrade ka na rin ng konti to a better one. Ask around while you can. When my dad's clutch will go he mentioned to upgrade it to a better one. But if sources tell you that it's not going to be a good bargain, I'd stick to OEM.

The mechanic I know is in QC, go up north sa Commonwealth until the Fairview area. Yung Caltex dun suki kami. It is beside a McDonald's resto. Park inside Caltex and look for Efren, Tino, Jun, or Felix. They've helped us since we had a 1989 Lancer, so that's roughly 16 years ago. Tell them yung anak ni Dr. Garcia referred you.

I came here as an immigrant, nothing special really. I'm getting homesick by the day. I use my technical knowhow to DIY my own car. Labor costs here are much higher than ones there kaya the US benefits by paying foreign countries low wages for the same job.

Once I owned an old 1989 Lancer and it always overheated. Back then I never knew anything about cars. I don't remember changing the oil on that poor little thing.

It's A/C always bogged down especially in Manila traffic. Somebody eventually bought it last year. But when things got bad we just sent it to them sa Caltex and they took care of it--changed radiator, fixed lights, A/C leak, clutch system (it was also slipping), and changed rear shocks.

Btw, do you have online images of your car?

reym · 01-04-2005, 02:48 AM

Gee thanks! I'll try to find that mechanic to replace my clutch.

But first, I'll try lowering the pipe just like what you have suggested.

Wala ka bang napapansin parang solo natin itong thread, anyways wala
naman akong napala sa mga itinanong ko sa mga porenger na mga yan
ang sagot sa kin puro palitan ang kotse ko.

Ganun sila ka un fair?Mag business ka na lang dito para di ka api jan!

If you have problems with intermittent engine stalls (for conventional engines) and hydraulic breaks kindly look for my threads, I always post solutions to all of the problems I have encountered.

MMDA - all the M's stands for Money that is why development is very slow.

Ahh pictures, I do not have a digi cam so I won't be able to post it on the net.
I'ts kind of old and worn - I know nothing about a car when I bought it.

I am Rey, may I Know your real name please?

karugs · 01-04-2005, 03:14 AM

Patrick. Nice to meet you, Rey. I'm also a member of another forum (www.mbnz.org/forums) and just found this: http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/index.php? baka gusto mo sumali dyan sa "Tsikot" forum and get more localised answers and better referrals than I can give.

Oo nga eh ganyan naman sila eh, sasabihin nila palit tsikot, bili ng bago, o di ka sasagutin.

Pero meron din ibang matino.

Thanks for the tip on those solutions, but I have a diesel and my car isn't Toyota. Kung diesel basta umaander na at puno ang fuel tank, tatakbo kahit tanggalin mo ang battery.

But that could prove useful when fixing up my mom's 1992 Corolla.

Thanks!

Agree with MMDA comment, and BF is just making it worse. Dati OK na eh!

reym · 01-04-2005, 03:19 AM

Ok Patrick subukan ko links mo. Thanks a lot.

I'll try to do the pipe this coming weekend I'll keep you informed, Any email address? Baka kasi palayasin tayo moderator kala minumura natin sila.

Thanks again!

karugs · 01-04-2005, 03:24 AM

Goodluck Rey!

By the way, kung hindi mechanical or critical yung nadiscover mo, hayaan mo na. But keep an eye on it. Kausap-kausapin mo na lang kotse mo "oy wag ka bibigay ha"

Ingat lang sa pag-DIY!