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Old 01-29-2005, 01:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Droping a 4AGZE in...

Hey, does anyone know if i can drop a 4AGZE striaght into any AE92? will the mounts be right or will i have to move n change them? i wanna drop a 4AGZE into my old 92' CS corolla, but i dunno if i can jus drip it in or if i have to change n move shit.. also, if i do this can i use any 5speed box or should i get a gti box...??
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It should bolt right in, basically you need to worry about wiring and intercooler piping.

Also, you should get the tranny that comes with it from the Levin GTZ because it's strong and has LSD.
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
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thanks alot man...
i was jus thinking about dropping in a 20v black top 4age... if i can get the same power out of one of them wif out a supercharger than im off to a good start... right? if i can fit sum forced induction later than i will have quite a bit more power than a 4agze... wat u think?
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Old 01-29-2005, 01:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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thanks alot man...
i was jus thinking about dropping in a 20v black top 4age... if i can get the same power out of one of them wif out a supercharger than im off to a good start... right? if i can fit sum forced induction later than i will have quite a bit more power than a 4agze... wat u think?
Well, the power of the 20v engines is overrated and they have no torque, the 4AGZE is a much nicer engine to drive around.

However, if you plan on going to f/i anyway, what *I* would do is buy the silvertop 20v which is cheaper, and swap in the 4AGZE low compression pistons (yes, they fit) and turbocharge that. That setup will give better results than the 4AGZE because of the 20v head.

The nice thing about the 4AGZE is, you can enjoy the supercharged power for a while, and then turbocharge anytime you want without even having to open the engine.
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Old 01-29-2005, 02:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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yeh, i like that idea... but i dun like the idea of putting f/i into a n/a engine wif out strengthening everything first... tthats why i like the 4agze cause its got the basic strengthening already done to it...
i love the fact that i can t/c or upgrade the s/c in the 4agze anytime i want too :-p

one other thing, i was told that the 4cyl lacks power down the bottom end revs and thats why the s/c will help... opposite to a v8, where it lacks power at top end and makes the most of a t/c system... false or true? agree or dissagree...??
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Old 01-29-2005, 02:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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yeh, i like that idea... but i dun like the idea of putting f/i into a n/a engine wif out strengthening everything first... tthats why i like the 4agze cause its got the basic strengthening already done to it...
i love the fact that i can t/c or upgrade the s/c in the 4agze anytime i want too :-p

one other thing, i was told that the 4cyl lacks power down the bottom end revs and thats why the s/c will help... opposite to a v8, where it lacks power at top end and makes the most of a t/c system... false or true? agree or dissagree...??
Well, the block is the same for both engines, you can also swap the rods from the GZE into the 20v so there you go.

As for your other question about 4cyl vs V8 engines, that's somewhat true. Keep in mind there are several different kinds of superchargers, and in general a t/c will make more torque in the powerband than an s/c, but it won't have the same throttle response.
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Old 01-29-2005, 03:59 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 01-29-2005, 11:37 AM   #8 (permalink)
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u can search these forums and you can search www.club4ag.com and even google will help you get more information on this swap my advise would be to do alot of research and find out anything you will need to know to complete this. I would leave the 20v out of this unless u have alot of cash to t/c it
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Old 01-29-2005, 03:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
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decide on what you wanna do first. if in the end you do want to have a boosted motor then might as well go with the MAP AE101 GT-Z motor. don't get the 20V then boost it later. it'll cost a lot and tuning it might be a challenge.

on the other hand, if i were you... i would drop the blacktop 20V with a 6-speed tranny on your AE92. why? coz the power is always on the mid-high rpm. much torque do you really need on a daily driver car? itll just suck more money out of your pocket, coz you'll be tempted to step on it all the time. but that's just me. anyways, goodluck on whatever you decide man and keep us posted!
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Old 01-29-2005, 04:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
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actually how easy the install is depends on what transmission you use..... if you use the C series tranny then yes, it will go directly in... if you use the E series tranny, the mounts need a bit of work but it's all simple stuff that only take an hour or so
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hey thanks guys... as much as i like the 20v... were talking booost here :-p im keen for the s/c but im gona look into the 20v mainly cause id prefer to save the money.. im gonna buy an aprilla rs250 as soon as i have my car so more money for that project :-p thanks guys...
the c series and the e series, which is the better box? wats the difference if is any...
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Old 01-29-2005, 07:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
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the 4AGZE torque is almost stricty lowend...but if you twin charged it... u could get a boost controler and get the turbo to spool up around 5000 rpm...or so
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Old 01-29-2005, 10:31 PM   #13 (permalink)
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hey thanks guys... as much as i like the 20v... were talking booost here :-p im keen for the s/c but im gona look into the 20v mainly cause id prefer to save the money.. im gonna buy an aprilla rs250 as soon as i have my car so more money for that project :-p thanks guys...
the c series and the e series, which is the better box? wats the difference if is any...
The E is better because it is stonger and has LSD. (I think)

If I'm not mistaken that's the tranny that comes with the 4AGZE from the Levin GTZ.
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:24 AM   #14 (permalink)
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fwik, not all the E58 trannies have LSD.

likewise some C trannies have OEM LSD as well (20v ST)
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i think i like the idea of a 4AGZE over the 4AGE 20v Black Top cause i think later down the track im gonna wanna go one step further n boost it, with the ze atleast i dun have to change everything n re tune the whole thing.. that wil cost a hell of a lot... but i deff dun wanna twin charge it.. maybe a TT setup in sequencial will do me better...

unfortunately, i think the availability of the two engines is wats gonna decide for me... lol
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