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Old 03-05-2005, 06:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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AE86 How do i run ITBs + 16v

I got the harness with the MAP seonsors, MAP ecu and the ITBs ... does anyone have this setup running ? Need help / advice from people who have it running.

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Old 03-05-2005, 10:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Do you also have the right adapter for your engine? If not I believe TechnoToy Tuning sells adapters for both big and small port 4AGs.
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Old 03-06-2005, 02:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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technotoytuning sells the adapters..... i've talked with many mr2 guys that like them.... i plan to get them myself as well for the ae92
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the adapter is not the issue ... do any of those guys you are talking about have an ITB MAP seup running on their cars ?
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Old 03-06-2005, 02:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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a bit OT, but where do you guys get your ITB's from? Is there an online place that sells them?

I can't seem to find anything.
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Old 03-06-2005, 02:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
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a bit OT, but where do you guys get your ITB's from? Is there an online place that sells them?

I can't seem to find anything.
Try ebay, try toyota forums ... you will find them easy

i wasn't even really looking to get them and a found a deal on ebay

i can talk to this guys and see if he could get another complete setup like mine

1) MAP ECU
2) MAP uncut harness
3) MAP sensor
4) MAP ignitor
5) MAP distributor
6) Individual Throttle Bodies

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I have a Camry (not a 'Rolla).
I'm just looking for the ITB, MAP sensor, and throttle cable.
I'm looking to convert this manifold to fit my 5S-FE (perhaps have it cut, stretched and welded back)
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Old 03-06-2005, 03:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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don't you need a piggyback fuel controller for that set-up?
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Old 03-06-2005, 04:19 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think that you have to run a aftermarket ecu like the freedom or the motec but they are very expensive . To do it with a stock remapped ecu and piggy back fuel control will be next to impossible. The fuel requirements for the itbs and the single intake are so different. All the sucessful conversions i've seen that actually gain power from the swap use aftermarket ecus (yes some have done the swap and have actually lost power). Not to mension the wiring harness.... Go to the club4ag int eh tech section, there should be something there.
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if you're talking to me, I'll be running a full fuel system (fpr, stainless braided line, and walboro 190lph pump) alongside my S-AFC II.

I'm not too worried about fuel needs. My 5S has more displacement than the 4ag, so I'm pretty sure that a piggyback should cover the fuel requirements.
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if you're talking to me, I'll be running a full fuel system (fpr, stainless braided line, and walboro 190lph pump) alongside my S-AFC II.

I'm not too worried about fuel needs. My 5S has more displacement than the 4ag, so I'm pretty sure that a piggyback should cover the fuel requirements.
I'm talking about 4ag's not 5s or whatever is in your car. Get back to me when you've completed it, i'd love to see it.
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I think that you have to run a aftermarket ecu like the freedom or the motec but they are very expensive . To do it with a stock remapped ecu and piggy back fuel control will be next to impossible. The fuel requirements for the itbs and the single intake are so different. All the sucessful conversions i've seen that actually gain power from the swap use aftermarket ecus (yes some have done the swap and have actually lost power). Not to mension the wiring harness.... Go to the club4ag int eh tech section, there should be something there.
Why is the aftermarket computer needed ? What is the problem with running the injectors that come with the ITBs with the ITB ECU ?

Ohhh and does anyone know that the IDLE FUEL INJECTOR IS FOR ?

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not sure on the specific application, but usually those are used on start-up to give some fuel directly into the intake manifold.
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Old 03-06-2005, 07:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
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^Cold start injector, extra fuel during start-up on a cold engine.


Since most 16V adaptors are designed for use with the 20V ITBs, you can't use the injectors that came with them because they're side-fed (16V is top-fed).

ITBs take a lot of research and tuning to get it running RIGHT. By right I mean using it to its fullest potential, otherwise all that money spent is wasted no? There are people who got the car to "run" simply with the stock EFI (AFM and all, with just a FPR) while playing aorund with fuel pressure, and fooling the AFM, I don't recommend this because IMO its pointless to spend that time and money to have something running less efficient as the stock manifold and injection!

Piggy-backs are just band-aid parts to make it run better, but the only way is to go STANDALONE.
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trueno, just so you know, the 20v doesn't use AFM nor does the 5S. The 5S is intended to run on a MAP sensor, as is the 16v. Thus, the stock ECU will know what to do with it.
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