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Old 07-24-2002, 10:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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HOW MUCH DOES IT CAUSE??



How much does it cause to rebuilt a 90 Corolla Gts engine?

please reply me if you know
just approximately~!

B cox one of my friend is going to sell a 90 gts, but his engine bay looks like piece of shit~!!

I am thinking about rebuilt, if he sell it to me cheap enough~!

Also How much if i put an other engine(like 3S GTe, you guys always talk about it) in the gts instead of rebuilt?
what's the difference?

thx for any replies~!
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Old 07-24-2002, 10:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The cost of a engine rebuild al depends on where you live. My cousin got his 1972 AMC Javlin rebuilt for around $2,500.
I think it might be cheaper to swap in another instead.
And the 3TC is if you want a higher HP potential with serious mods. Basically if you want to drag race it. I read some where that sombody using a 3TC was running 10 sec times!?! But they droped allot of money into that car to pull that off and it is definatly not street leagal.
If you don't plan on having more than 200HP you should just stick with a 4AGE. If you want a little more punch right off the bat get the supercharged 4AGZE. It has 170 HP (just 1992-95 cuz the earlyer ones have less).

The price on the rebuild is in Canadian Dollars.
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Old 07-24-2002, 11:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If you want a little more punch right off the bat get the supercharged 4AGZE. It has 170 HP (just 1992-95 cuz the earlyer ones have less).

The price on the rebuild is in Canadian Dollars.

true but if you get a gze lo-comp you can boost it up more than the hi-comp (w/o changing the internals of course) cuz the hi-comp is near the limit it can take (again w/o changing the internals) in the other hand you can run a lo-comp at 14 psi whitout a problem.
which is risky with a hi-comp correct me if i'm wrong...

either one you'll have great fu?*ing engine!!

what i'm doing with my 89 sr5 is puting a j-spec 4age (tvis big port) and next year puting a little turbo......
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170 hp gze???? since when? that thing come bone stock at a 143!

3tc is a pushrod motor...super bullet proof and 9 sec ready. but not for the beginer as it will need serious work to fit it into a fwd application.

3sgte is out of a sw20 (late model mr2) turboed and at 2 litres, it puts out a hefty 240hp (jdm version i think). that i would think is a bit to ambitious if you are an amateur at automotives or mechanical engineering.
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170 hp gze???? since when? that thing come bone stock at a 143!
yes the lo-comp (in the mr2's ) but there is a hi-comp at 170hp they were in the levin all the way trouhg the mid 90's it can run on the north american 4age ecu
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Old 07-25-2002, 03:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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thats a jdm motor that needs a map sensor to run properly, if not run at all.

in addition, low comp/high bosst is not always the case. big hp guys often run big boost on high comp pistons. however, to combat detonation, you need to seriously upgrade your fuel sytem, advance timing and run higher grade octane.

infact, alot of racers run 10:1 comp w/25psi...mind you its on methanol.

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3sgte is out of a sw20 (late model mr2) turboed and at 2 litres, it puts out a hefty 240hp (jdm version i think).

3rd gen 3SGTE put down 240HP, it came in the 6th gen Celica (3rd gen GT4.) And it was jspec only.
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Old 07-25-2002, 03:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thx for great comments and replies~!

Let me make sure everthing is right~!
It will probably cheaper to swap another engine in that car rather than rebuilt! because you can also have more horses

but i have my question~
you said that 4agze can run with 4age ECU, but how about other parts?

What kind of extra parts I need? except for ECU
How about the tranny??

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Old 07-25-2002, 05:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I've heard that the GZE internals are good for much more than 15psi. I think it's the blower that's limited to that. (The seals start to melt at 15psi)

Anyway Den, just go to my website http://ckp.netfirms.com and I have for the most part all the parts you need listed there.
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Old 07-25-2002, 10:06 PM   #10 (permalink)
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170 hp gze???? since when? that thing come bone stock at a 143!
yes the lo-comp (in the mr2's ) but there is a hi-comp at 170hp they were in the levin all the way trouhg the mid 90's it can run on the north american 4age ecu
woah woah woah here,

to stop the MISINFORMATIOn
ANY GZE WILL NOT, I REPEAT NOT RUN OFF THE STOCK 4AGE ECU. and I am %100 certian, that the 170hp version of the gze will NOT run at all with it being MAP sensored based.

now if you want you can get a gze us spec engine and source your 8.9:1 compression pistons and do some math and make it all work out, but you are still going to need
1. wiring pinouts
2. harness

to make that thing run at any rpm other than idle.

THE GZE uses an electronicly engaged clutch to turn the blower on and off, THIS will not work if you use a GE ecu.

the 90 gts comes with a high comp engine, the red top 4age, it is quite capeable, dpeending on milage, and if it has been abused, or cared for.
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Old 07-26-2002, 02:31 AM   #11 (permalink)
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sorry about the error i was thinking about a twin charged engine when i was writing ... with a twin charged egine (4agze+turbo) you can use an afm from a supra or cressida ....its a bit hard to do i know but it can be done
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/lane/1231/afm.html
anyway for the trany just use you c52 from your gts again correct me if i'm wrong...
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Old 07-26-2002, 10:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Yes Toymaniac, this guy is running a twincharged engine off a 4age ECU. Impressive no? It just requires a little bit of knowledge in electronics. Pretty simple if you take the time. You could even run the GZE itself of the 4age ECU, you jusd need to engage the supercharger from an in dash switch, plus some other tweaking around. It has been done.

A GTS rebuild will cost you around 1500-2000$. Depends where you go. Also depends how far you go! (oversized pisons, etc...) You could just have the rings done, seals changed, etc...

IMO, the best option would be the GZE. Hands down.

As for running high boost on hi-comp GZE with 8.9:1 CR and 10 psi stock, you are not going higher on stock internals. We did the math and it's not worth taking the risk when you're on a budget. When I get the budget and financing these guys are getting to run 25 psi on 11:1, I'll let you know. But there's nothing stock about it.

Toymaniac was talking about the limit on stock internals.
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Old 07-26-2002, 03:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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that's right Rolla Pat

i was talking about the limit of the stock internals ...

anyway thanks to have cleared that up ...and the fact that it is possible to run a gze on north american ecu...
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What Andrew did not think about is the fact that you can run the hi-comp GZE's from Japan with the distributor setup from our North American GZE's. Hence you can use (with excellent electrical knowledge) the 4age ECU.
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yeah sorry andrew to not had specified what Rolla Pat just wrote...

my mistake
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