boro hachi black - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

goodcookiedrift · 07-25-2002, 05:03 PM

so i'm debating on whether to paint the ae86 boro hachi black (that will be the official name for all those who know). however, i'm a bit concerned about the maintainance and the protection of the body. will it rust alot easier? should i do this with a spray gun or should i just rock spray cans? can i clear coat it with like a matte or satin finish?

Nick

Voodoo.Priest · 07-25-2002, 05:31 PM

Are you just painting over rust spots or sanding them off first?

goodcookiedrift · 07-25-2002, 06:47 PM

oh man... i dunno....depends whether i feel lazy or not.....

i might even just cut them out, rent a mig and weld in some new sheet...just depends on how i feel...

i dunno even if i want to wet sand it down....was thinking if i could jsut spray the boro hachi black over the existing paint..

Nick

bondobondo · 07-25-2002, 07:06 PM

ahh yes, noir ae86

my suggestion is with black, DON"T go with spray cans. it is tough, cuz with black you can really seee what spots got thick and others thinner, you can also see which spots are glossier than others. it is really hard with dark colors.

if anything i would work on something like a door or something from your other cars, and see how it goes.

from JUST coming in from painting my bumper, i can say, spray cans only take you so far. really, it is tough.

what is wrong with the black on your car? it looked ok.

thank goodness the ae bumpers are not fancy and sculpted like sw20's or the new celicas.

mr_sinister · 07-25-2002, 09:53 PM

just make sure you use real flat black paint and not jsut black primer..

also, there's a trick I learned from reading old R/C car mags back in the day, you put the spray cans in a tub of hot tap water for awhile prior to using them, to help it spray much much more evenly ((the paint gets atomized way better).. .. although I wouldn't know anything about spraying soemthing as big as a whole car..

ek-9 · 07-25-2002, 10:08 PM

I think if you're going to take the time to paint it, you might as well get some of that rust off. I've never seen your car so I dunno how severe the rust is, but I know later this summer, if i can get past the engine, then I'm going to sand down some nasty rust and at least throw some primer on it.

Painting over rust is just going to hide the problem and it'll probably come back twice as bad.

goodcookiedrift · 07-25-2002, 10:24 PM

goto mr.sinisters (randy's) page...the balck hachi with mis matched rims is mine.....

see. with the boro hachi, i don't care about rust...i will eventually cut it out and re-weld in new metal....i just want a different look right now...however, i know flat black is somewhat porous and not COMPLETELY impervious to water....so i don't want it rustign the rest of the car...

yeah randy, i was actually thinking of getting the flat black in maybe a quart or something and spraying it with my spray gun (GTP Garage even has its own body shop!!!!), i just don't want to do too much prep work for 1) a colour that doesn't need that much prep work and 2) for a look that is is no where near 'show' quality....

I don't even think i'll need to wet sand the original finsh!??

Voodoo.Priest · 07-25-2002, 10:51 PM

But you do know how rust works don't you? It eats from the inside out. I think you should get rid of it now. If you don't there will be more to remove later. I used to work in car rust proofing. I'm taking my car in and having all that **** removed. I have no mercy for the rust. How dare it eat my Baby. Rust already ate one of my AE86's so there is now way in hell I'm letting it happen to this one.

project trueno · 07-25-2002, 10:56 PM

whoa so u're saying its best to eliminate them ASAP? what if u're planning to do bodywork next year( weilding new metal in), and the 86 is going to be parked outside....possibly during winter too! :o can't u sand off the rust, bondo, paint it over temporary, and let it sit through winter? or will the rust still be evil and wriggle its way through... :cry:

goodcookiedrift · 07-26-2002, 08:21 AM

the rust on mine isn't that much...its very minimal....and i already know what i have to do to get rid of it...so thats not the issue.

i'm debating though whether or not i'll have to do any prep work for the flat black or not. And whether it's healthy for the overall body of the car or not because it doesn't seal like a clear coat.

Nick

bondobondo · 07-26-2002, 10:03 AM

if you are gonna go flat black, you can forget about waxing.

if it is primer black, you can forget about washing all together.

neil85AE86 · 07-27-2002, 09:46 PM

if you use enamel you will be fine. Lacquer can be poruos since it dries so fast, and if you don't apply it wet enough, or leave too long between coats, yes it can be porous.

Also, you can't use lacquer over old paint... unless the old paint is lacquer or unless you seal the old paint job.

You can by straight old gloss black enamel in a 1 gallon can, and just add 'flattening agent', it should be sold in most automotive paint stores. Using agent allows you to adjust the level of 'flatness' too which is kinda cool.

Only thing that scares me about flat black is it's ability to absorb heat. I think it looks awesome, ...and so does my dad, he's been bugging me to paint mine that colour!

Neil

ae86forever · 08-06-2002, 12:56 AM

Nick,

Invest the few dollars in a Spray Gun rental. Atleast that way you should have a consist air pressure in your spray gun. This will hopefully elminate any spitting that may occur with spray cans.

George

Xenon · 08-06-2002, 01:34 AM

You should just look into the yellow pages for a "Do it yourself Garage" I did my car there and you pay about $8 an hour and they provide all the tools for dirt cheap, they have the painting booth as well. So you can sand, grind, cut, weld, mask off and paint the car at the same place. And if you don't feel like driving it, you can pay a $20 overnight parking fee and leave it there...

I personally did mine in St. Catharines and it was an awsome experience. The painting part takes alot of patience but it's easy. The tedious part is the prep work. It took me 5 days to finish up my car, but it needed alot of work.

goodcookiedrift · 08-07-2002, 10:59 AM

what i've noticed is that the flatness/semiflatness REALLY picks up any grease or fingerprints...eh...not to sure i want that.....

DIY paint booth? that sounds kinda cool....although my dad does have three paint guns, and well, we've got the compressor...but the dust....argh...need a way to combat the dust.....

Nick