How is the 04 Corolla different fro the 05 Corolla???
does the 04 have the engine emobalizer (however you spell that) in it? how is the 04 different from the 05 in terms of parts that have been changes from the two years? im trying to figure out what is causing the warm engine starting problem.
Hey Salduchi I believe the 05 Corollas are the first Corollas to have the engine Immobilizer but, not the first Toyotas to have this feature. The Immoblilizer has been around for a while in Toyota.
05 Corolla
drive by wire
different intake
different fuel pump
different fuel rail
different fuel injectors
engine immobilizer
This is just a list of some major component changes but I'm not sure what else has been changed in the engine bay.
Hey Salduchi I believe the 05 Corollas are the first Corollas to have the engine Immobilizer but, not the first Toyotas to have this feature. The Immoblilizer has been around for a while in Toyota.
05 Corolla
drive by wire
different intake
different fuel pump
different fuel rail
different fuel injectors
engine immobilizer
This is just a list of some major component changes but I'm not sure what else has been changed in the engine bay.
I don't have the problem....yet.
I'm not too comfortable knowing the problem may or may not come,but most likely will.
This is Bullsh*t.
If I would have did the research and found there were so many changes from the '04,I wouldn't have bought the '05.
Usually a new body style has the most changes.
I don't like buying a change year model from any auto manufacturer.
Hopefully Toyota will fix this problem.
The Toyota reputation will be damaged if they dont.
I agree with you Joe B. I never by first model year cars. First model year cars usually have bugs that need to be exterminated. I also did not know that they had changed so many parts. I just mentioned a few who know how much more has been changed. I just hope they can find the problem. On Monday I'm off to the dealer again but I have no choice. If I dont take the car back I am basically claiming the car is fine and it isn't .
Fellers - Before I worked for an OEM (Toyota) in design, I used to huff at people who said to not buy a 1st year model car. Then when I worked at Toyota, I was responsible for *only* the seats for initially the Avalon, then Solara rear seat, then responsible for all of Solara & Camry seats (production). When I say *only* I mean that I made the changes for the seats only ... other friends of mine who were working there were making their own share of changes for their particular part of the vehicle(s).
The changes during the 1st year of production (which are usually a fairly good amount) are all improvements to be implemented before the start of the 2nd year of production. After seeing everything that went on, I will NEVER buy a 1st year of a new model, and maybe not a 1st year of a minor model change. I'm am lucky to have the 2nd model year of the Corolla.
I will give you a Corolla example. For the '03 Corolla, there was a problem with the fit/finish in the audio area. Basically at the top of the radio, a gap would develop shortly after leaving the dealership. I can't recall from memory without looking at my car, but I think the gap was between the dash substrate and the audio trim. Anyway, that problem was corrected on my '04 model (I can actually see the countermeasure if I shine a light where the gap would be on an '03). All the '03's may not do this, but a large portion do or will. Again, I'm glad to have an '04. Patience pays off.
Fellers - Before I worked for an OEM (Toyota) in design, I used to huff at people who said to not buy a 1st year model car. Then when I worked at Toyota, I was responsible for *only* the seats for initially the Avalon, then Solara rear seat, then responsible for all of Solara & Camry seats (production). When I say *only* I mean that I made the changes for the seats only ... other friends of mine who were working there were making their own share of changes for their particular part of the vehicle(s).
The changes during the 1st year of production (which are usually a fairly good amount) are all improvements to be implemented before the start of the 2nd year of production. After seeing everything that went on, I will NEVER buy a 1st year of a new model, and maybe not a 1st year of a minor model change. I'm am lucky to have the 2nd model year of the Corolla.
I will give you a Corolla example. For the '03 Corolla, there was a problem with the fit/finish in the audio area. Basically at the top of the radio, a gap would develop shortly after leaving the dealership. I can't recall from memory without looking at my car, but I think the gap was between the dash substrate and the audio trim. Anyway, that problem was corrected on my '04 model (I can actually see the countermeasure if I shine a light where the gap would be on an '03). All the '03's may not do this, but a large portion do or will. Again, I'm glad to have an '04. Patience pays off.
MY 04 CE has the gap at the audio...it can't be fixed. Toyota has replaced everything, my dash, CD head unit, center console, radio bezel....still have a huge gap. I gave up, my car was in the shop every week for suttin that cannot be fixed. Orther than a huge hole in my dash, my car is great.
Hey Joe B how many miles does your Corolla have and which model do you have?
'05 LE with 1200 miles.
BTW
Getting crap gas mileage too.
24 MPG mostly city driving.
Going go a few more tanks a gas and then complain if things don't improve.
Could be the remote strt warm up.
I don't have the problem....yet.
I'm not too comfortable knowing the problem may or may not come,but most likely will.
This is Bullsh*t.
Don't think for a moment this affects anywhere near 100% of the cars on the road, or 100% of the cars on this forum. If a problem like this affect 10% of the cars on the road this forum would be SWAMPED with complaints. I believe this from my experience with Internet forums and similar problems.
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The Toyota reputation will be damaged if they dont.
These are the types of comments I don't understand. Toyota (and Honda for instance) have problems like this ALL THE TIME and their reputation is what it is. These types of problems are nothing new. Some years better than others, some problems more or less severe, but they're very common.
I hope they get this problem fixed for the people that experience it, because it surely sucks. My 05 Corolla is probably the slowest starting car I've ever owned but it rarely takes even 1 second to start. Never has taken 3. If it took 5 like some people see I'd drive it straight to the dealership. Well, maybe I wouldn't, because it seems Toyota dealerships don't experiment much to find solutions to problems, so they just plain don't know how to fix it right now. It could take a while.
It took us 7 months to get our transmission fixed in our 2004 Camry. I drove it one city block and instantly knew it wasn't right (1-2 shift). I spent 4 or 5 months trying to convince the dealership of this. They never really did understand, and just said it was normal. Finally about 7 months after I first bought the car they came out with a TSB to replace the valve body and what do you know, that fixed it. This starting problem is at least as complex, it could be a while.
By the way, I have an 05 Corolla with a big gab above the radio. I have the JBL system so some of that may have been the monkeys down at Gulf States Toyota (where the south gets their Toyotas from) who install all that stuff... they are nowhere near as good as the factory.
Fellers - Before I worked for an OEM (Toyota) in design, I used to huff at people who said to not buy a 1st year model car. Then when I worked at Toyota, I was responsible for *only* the seats for initially the Avalon, then Solara rear seat, then responsible for all of Solara & Camry seats (production). When I say *only* I mean that I made the changes for the seats only ... other friends of mine who were working there were making their own share of changes for their particular part of the vehicle(s).
The changes during the 1st year of production (which are usually a fairly good amount) are all improvements to be implemented before the start of the 2nd year of production. After seeing everything that went on, I will NEVER buy a 1st year of a new model, and maybe not a 1st year of a minor model change. I'm am lucky to have the 2nd model year of the Corolla.
I will give you a Corolla example. For the '03 Corolla, there was a problem with the fit/finish in the audio area. Basically at the top of the radio, a gap would develop shortly after leaving the dealership. I can't recall from memory without looking at my car, but I think the gap was between the dash substrate and the audio trim. Anyway, that problem was corrected on my '04 model (I can actually see the countermeasure if I shine a light where the gap would be on an '03). All the '03's may not do this, but a large portion do or will. Again, I'm glad to have an '04. Patience pays off.
- JyRO
Everyone has opinions, I have a 03-S change year rolla and have no problem with the fit and finish or anything for that matter, everything lines up perfect inside and out and the car runs great...other then a headlight seal going and BAD TIRES (Goodyear integrity's) and a stupid service dept(not the cars fault) everything's been fine...I think not buying a new car because its a change year is an old wives tale just like so many other things people pass on and believe without any truth behind it just opinions and hear say, your going to have certain problems with any year auto just look at the problems the 05 is having now..I still stand by the thought that different parts don't necessarily mean better parts...Anyway my friend at the Toyota dealership said the only difference between a 03 and an 04 was they slapped a new vin number on it JMHO...Radd Guy...
Raddman the 03 and 04 are the same. There are no real differences between then except for little things. The 05 is a car with many new parts. The problem is quite bad. Our cars are stalling and not starting. I dont always agree with people but this car has too many new parts in comparison to the 04. If our cars were like the 03 & 04 we would be experiencing the problems that the 03 and 04 are having but, we are not. We are having all new problems.
Don't think for a moment this affects anywhere near 100% of the cars on the road, or 100% of the cars on this forum. If a problem like this affect 10% of the cars on the road this forum would be SWAMPED with complaints. I believe this from my experience with Internet forums and similar problems.
These are the types of comments I don't understand. Toyota (and Honda for instance) have problems like this ALL THE TIME and their reputation is what it is. These types of problems are nothing new. Some years better than others, some problems more or less severe, but they're very common.
I hope they get this problem fixed for the people that experience it, because it surely sucks. My 05 Corolla is probably the slowest starting car I've ever owned but it rarely takes even 1 second to start. Never has taken 3. If it took 5 like some people see I'd drive it straight to the dealership. Well, maybe I wouldn't, because it seems Toyota dealerships don't experiment much to find solutions to problems, so they just plain don't know how to fix it right now. It could take a while.
It took us 7 months to get our transmission fixed in our 2004 Camry. I drove it one city block and instantly knew it wasn't right (1-2 shift). I spent 4 or 5 months trying to convince the dealership of this. They never really did understand, and just said it was normal. Finally about 7 months after I first bought the car they came out with a TSB to replace the valve body and what do you know, that fixed it. This starting problem is at least as complex, it could be a while.
By the way, I have an 05 Corolla with a big gab above the radio. I have the JBL system so some of that may have been the monkeys down at Gulf States Toyota (where the south gets their Toyotas from) who install all that stuff... they are nowhere near as good as the factory.
Jason
I hope you're right but....
My '05 was made in Canada with the exact same parts as the Corollas with problems.
What makes mine less susceptible to the problem?
Another question.
How many '05 Corolla owners are members of a Corolla forum?
1-2%?
As far as my reputation comment.
The only thing I've ever heard go wrong bigtime on a toyota was the head gasket issue on the '95 or so generation of Tacomas.
The only reason I knew of that problem was because my brother had the problem.
A problem which Toyota fixed on his truck even with his I believe 70K miles.
If Toyota has had major issues...it's sure kept quiet by fixing the problems.
Thus keep the great rep.
Raddman the 03 and 04 are the same. There are no real differences between then except for little things. The 05 is a car with many new parts. The problem is quite bad. Our cars are stalling and not starting. I dont always agree with people but this car has too many new parts in comparison to the 04. If our cars were like the 03 & 04 we would be experiencing the problems that the 03 and 04 are having but, we are not. We are having all new problems.
As a fellow Corolla Lover I feel for you guys having starting problems on your 05's...The thing that I can't understand is if it ain't broke why fix it? Meaning what was the purpose for all those changes to the fuel system on the 05's? My 03 runs great and I haven't heard of any major problems with the 03-04 engine/fuel system so why would they want to replace all those items with different ones? Maybe to give it more milage? more power???? Who knows! Why not make the changes elsewear like getting rid of that giant foot rest and padding all the console tops, mirror turn signals, different fog lights..etc.etc.etc....As for what jyRO said about problems with the first year models thats what quailty control is for to make sure everything is perfect besides as you say "there is no difference between the 03-04" so how can there be improvements? Some of the 04's were probably the 03's they had left at the plant anyway and just put a different year vin numbers on them and shipped it out Radd Guy
My 05 corolla le seems to be having that radio gap problem since I can see that in the middle upper part of the radio there is a slight gap. Ill have to see if the gap gets bigger later on. I havent experienced starting problem yet. My car came with Bridgestons Inst..something(i dont remember)- I thouhgt corollas came with goodyear integrities. What i dont like is the electronic throttle cable because it creates a lag in acceleration. The only thing I really like about the 05' is the optitron gauges.
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