So my 5th gear synchro is gone and I think my first (or is that second gear synchro) is not doing to good as it feels like it pops if I switch 1st to 2nd under hard acceleration.. 340,000km's on the car though. My question is, what exactly would I need in order to swap from my C52 to a 6spd from either 20V 4AGE (is it the C56 or C6?) or to a GTZ transmission? would it be a straight swap or would I have to basically take this part from this transmission and that part from the other and end up with a hybrid. I know there's a couple of you out there that know a little more about this.. I never researched this topic since I never thought about just replacing the transmission alone, it was always full engine/transmission thoughts.
Hopefully this becomes a Corolla sticky, since we got a sticky for everything BUT transmission topics.
fwik, to swap to the C-160 (6-speed tranny, lsd, of the 20V Black Top), I think you'd need to mate it with the 20V BT ECU. Not to mention trying to figure out how to work the ECU with your engine.
to swap to the E58 is pretty much bolt on. you might get a headache getting axles and cv joints though... well, at least they're a big pain in the arse back here.
Actually, I have 2 transmissions being offered to me, a 5spd with LSD from a 4AGZE and a 5spd from a 20V... What do you think.. will the 20V 5spd also need the ECU or is it only the 6spd? what about the GZE 5spd?? If I'm not mistaken, that one should work the same as the C52 wouldn't it?
imho the tranny from the 20V should suit you better... the gear ratios from the E58 are better suited for FI cars and are much longer. the e58 is also a-lot heavier than the C52.
I don't have anything to add but just another question...my question is that will the 4AFE tranny work on the 4AGE...will there be any downfalls if I use the 4AFE tranny instead...
I don't have anything to add but just another question...my question is that will the 4AFE tranny work on the 4AGE...will there be any downfalls if I use the 4AFE tranny instead...
The 4A-FE trans (C50) is not as strong as the C52 found in the 4A-GE equipped GT-S cars, from what I have heard. It should bolt up (the starter is different, though), but would not last long under hard driving. Remember that depending on the production year the 4A-GE puts out nearly 25%-30% more power than the 4A-FE does. That's a big difference, and you need a trans that can handle it. Regards, Aaron
Voodoo, do you have any links to a page with all the transmissions available for the AE cars.. I've searched for this info regarding 4AGE's but all I can find is info on the W trannsmissions.. no one cares about us FWD'ers.
So the E58 is the 4AGZE and the C52 from the 20V is still the same as the C52 in my 4AGE, but maybe.. with different gear ratios to accomodate the extra revs on the 20V.. now that brings me to another question... wouldn't the E58 be better in terms of gear ratios? since its setup to handle more torque instead of high revs.. that's of course if the 20V 5spd is not the same as my C52.. lol poor noobs are probably going.. WTF are these guys talkin bout!
I was leaning more towards the E58 since it comes with LSD (not the drug.. LOL) but if the 20V C52 will be a better swap then maybe I'll go for that. As for the 20V 6spd, I remember someone posting before about running a C160 with a BT ECU attached to it or something like that.. along with the 4AGE ECU.
The 4A-FE trans (C50) is not as strong as the C52 found in the 4A-GE equipped GT-S cars, from what I have heard. It should bolt up (the starter is different, though), but would not last long under hard driving. Remember that depending on the production year the 4A-GE puts out nearly 25%-30% more power than the 4A-FE does. That's a big difference, and you need a trans that can handle it. Regards, Aaron
You'd be suprised what the C50 can take. My brother's 4A-GZE setup has been running with a C52, and the only thing that's gone wrong so far is that the input bearing is currently on its way out.
Why would you need the ECU to run a manual transmission?
i'm not really sure but the i think the gears would be exremely long on the E58 if you use it with a NA engine. also the E58 "might" pull your HP numbers down... more rotating weight (bigger flywheel, disc, pressure plate, and axles). not so mention the heavier weight might make your car have a harder time doing corners (i.e. plow into the corners instead of turning).
if LSD is the case, i think there are some C52 (ST and BT) that have LSD too!
have a friend running a 4AFTE with a C50... 18lbs of boost i think. so far the tranny's holding. his only problem are the clutch components. i think he changes discs twice a year.
ah ok.. I'm getting the Blacktop 5spd off of Richdan, he's doing a rwd BT 20V swap. Hopefully it fits like a glove and I don't have to get new or different axles... and hopefully its got LSD.
This is why I'm saying we need to get some facts together and sticky up this shit.. I'm not sure if its a C56, a C6 or a C160.. I think the first and last are 2 different transmissions.. the one in the middle may not exist. we need some more input here.
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