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Old 08-17-2005, 10:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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took over dads old ke as project will the ka24 engine fit

well i fried my daily drivers transmission and i dont want to use my land rover since gas prices. a whopping 15 mpg on a good day. so i got my dads really old daily driver, which is a 74 corolla still runs fine and everything but i talked him into transferring the title and now its mine. now the big problem not enough power so this is what im asking. will a ka24(out of a nissan 240sx) fit into the engine bay with its current dimensions. i know people like the 4age or the mazda 13b but since i know nothing bout working on rotaries and dont have the time to figure it out i decided the ka24 would be the next good idea. so if anyones done this, let me know or if you have other advice on an engine i dont know about throw it out there. thanks
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Old 08-17-2005, 11:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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How about a 22R-E with some headwork, bolt-ons, and a cam?
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Old 08-18-2005, 01:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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well i fried my daily drivers transmission and i dont want to use my land rover since gas prices. a whopping 15 mpg on a good day. so i got my dads really old daily driver, which is a 74 corolla still runs fine and everything but i talked him into transferring the title and now its mine. now the big problem not enough power so this is what im asking. will a ka24(out of a nissan 240sx) fit into the engine bay with its current dimensions. i know people like the 4age or the mazda 13b but since i know nothing bout working on rotaries and dont have the time to figure it out i decided the ka24 would be the next good idea. so if anyones done this, let me know or if you have other advice on an engine i dont know about throw it out there. thanks
i'm real big on nissan's, but i'll tell you right now DON'T GET A KA24. It's a truck motor, and the only reason they put it in the 240sx is for budget reasons. If you're lookin for some more serious power, look into Nissan's SR20 engines. The SR20VE will get you around 180 hp, and the SR20DET (T for turbo..) can catch you around 230 with ease.

Personally, I'm really not one for inter-breeding engines, I'm more of a stick to the family kinda guy. To be honest, I really know very very little about Toyota's, but I'm assuming this engine is RWD since you wanted the KA. Ever consider the AE86 motor? I heard those can haul real nice...and I don't mean that just from watching Initial D...well, either way, good luck with whatever you do.
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Old 08-18-2005, 02:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Nissan in a Toyota A 22R with a celica tranny will do u good or a 4A-GE big port
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Old 08-18-2005, 04:23 AM   #5 (permalink)
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well your saying the celica tranny but how far back would i have to go to get a celica tranny that supports rwd and that i could get that wouldnt break within a few thousand miles. i would rather not import an sr20 for cost efficiency. im only looking for about 250whp out of the motor so the ka24 would still be a logical choice to me since i dont plan on spending a whole lot for the engine since my friends got 2 extra ka24s.
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Old 08-18-2005, 05:51 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I would prefer a 3T as it weighs less than a 22R, thus giving better balance to the car. A lot of goodies exist for this engine so you won't be hampered by what your imagination comes up with.
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Old 08-18-2005, 06:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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well your saying the celica tranny but how far back would i have to go to get a celica tranny that supports rwd and that i could get that wouldnt break within a few thousand miles. i would rather not import an sr20 for cost efficiency. im only looking for about 250whp out of the motor so the ka24 would still be a logical choice to me since i dont plan on spending a whole lot for the engine since my friends got 2 extra ka24s.
Well celica's wer RWD from 70-85. The best tranny for you to get is either a W55 which came in the 81-85 GT's or a W58 which came in the 83-85 GTS. Bolt that up with a 20R/22R hybrid with some sidedraft carbs, port job, a nice header and a nice cam and with as light as your car is that thing will be hauling some major ass. However you might also want to look into either a 2TC or 3TC. They are another great motor for torque. Plus there was a corolla in your years that came with a T motor so that is a lot easier swap then an R motor or a stupid nissan motor. A T motor has a ton of aftermarket support still. Check out www.toyota3TC.com they that is a site jsut for older corollas and T motors. If you still feel like you have to put a crappy nissan motor in the car then I think the best thing you should do is sell me the car because I will treat it right and not ruin it by putting some other manufactuers engine into the car.
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Old 08-18-2005, 06:46 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Actually.. a 3TGTE from a Celica would be a nice choice.. that's what powers this baby here.

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Actually.. a 3TGTE from a Celica would be a nice choice.. that's what powers this baby here.

Yes a G head would be nice but it is very hard to find any old G head motor(18RG, 2TG, 3TGTE) since none of them came in any car here in the US. Personally if you could get an old G head motor I would go with a 2TG but that is just me.
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He can always go with a built 2TC/3TC hybrid.. more readily available if that's the worry.
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He can always go with a built 2TC/3TC hybrid.. more readily available if that's the worry.
That is excalty how I would go if I had a KE body style. Unless I got lucky enough to find a G head but chances of that happening are slim so yeah I would drop in a T motor.
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Old 08-18-2005, 09:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Or a turbo 22R-E. I figured the reason he suggested the KA to begin with was for the torque of a 2.4L (and since his bud's got 2 spares sitting around) though how someone gets 250 whp out of a normally aspirated KA is beyond me. That's over 300 at the crank. I don't know how well they tolerate boost either without internal upgrades either.

3T would be an easier conversion, though.
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Old 08-19-2005, 02:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't know about how easy it would be to get the engine installed/supported properly, but I would say if you have a good KA motor, and it is a feesable thing to do, then use it.

Unless you have a huge wad of cash to burn, you're not getting that things to 250+hp, but peronally, I like torque. And I don't see a SR20DE (or a DET) making that much hp without a good chunk of cash either.

What I don't understand is why you want to crank up the power on an engine, when you're concerned about Gas Prices. Power isn't free, the more horses you're making, the less fuel efficient the engine will be.

If you like older fuel efficient Nissan Engines, I drove a Pulsar NX with the E16i. That was a tough little motor, would not die no matter how hard I whipped her.

but.... peaked at at 70 ponies new. Woo.
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Old 08-19-2005, 03:25 AM   #14 (permalink)
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well it doesnt matter what engine i decide it wont be naturally aspirated. im tempted to do the ka since it offers me the torque with some greddy tuning parts available for it plus with the displacement being higher than other considered engines i wouldnt have to crank up the boost as high to reach the same power levels. it also seems that itd be cheaper to reach my preffered power level with this setup than a 4age, 2tc, 3tc or 22re.
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Old 08-19-2005, 02:16 PM   #15 (permalink)
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MrMoto... you're looking at the wrong places. the best motor is right under your nose. forget the ka24 (they're actually good! SR20s are as overrated as 20V 4A-GE ), forget 22R (they're dinosaurs!) and forget the overrated 4A-GEs.... there's only one motor small/light enough that can generate the power you want....


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