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Originally Posted by engineer
About the only thing you said there that was even remotely rational was the part about customers paying for longer warranty. Your right, the longer warranty is rolled into the price of the vehicle, whether the customer knows it or not.
As far as it being a "gimmick", not so much. I would say it is more of a "reassurance" to the customer that their vehicle will be fixed for X amount of years, for free (I know there are exceptions to this). And it's not to get rid of "undesirable" models either. GM sells over 1 million 1/2 ton trucks/year. . . . so I would hardly call them "undesirable", yet they are covered under their new 100k mile warranty. Same can be said for Ford.
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It is most definitely a gimmick. GMs, Chryslers and Fords are much less reliable than Toyotas; that's why they've started offering higher warranties in order to draw in buyers.
There is nothing "reassuring" about higher warranties when one takes more than five seconds to think about what they really imply in terms of reliability. You are simply paying more for a longer warranty period. Toyotas don't need it, on average and resale values and reliability studies bear that out.
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Originally Posted by engineer
If you think people buy other brands only because they have been "lured", you are sadly mistaken. It is quite possible that people 1) Don't like the way Toyotas look 2) Don't like the way Toyota's drive 3) Don't like Toyota, period 4) Have no reason to go to a Toyota dealership, because they had great luck with X brand, or 5) They have been burned by Toyota in the past, and refuse to buy another one. 
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Ya, boo-hoo. I figured that your numerous threads that are poorly-concealed mudslinging efforts were in response to some real or imagined slight done to you by Toyota in years past.
Second, if you're going to quote what I wrote, at least try to quote it correctly and in the proper context. I didn't refer to people as "lured"; I referred to them as "simple-minded". That is in reference to longer warranties; no other consideration was included. People buy cars and trucks for all kinds of reasons; some very smart and some not-so-smart.
Toyota isn't perfect. I bought my Taco new and had an intermittent problem that the dealer took a couple thousand miles to correct, under warranty. Besides that frustrating event, I've had all of $200 in unscheduled maintenance done in the following 90,000 miles. If I'd bought a Ranger or S-10, not only would I have paid more in repairs, I would likely be shopping for a new vehicle soon. I'll take Toyota's imperfections over anyone else's any and every day of the week.
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Originally Posted by engineer
Yea, like Toyota owners never have to deal with this. only difference is that after 36k miles, they are stuck with paying for it out of their own pockets. . . . .get real!!!
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Again, boo-hoo! I'll gladly take post-warranty reliability from my 16-year-old and 10-year-old Toyotas any goddamn day of the week over even a brand-new 100K-warranty domestic slug. They are truly that good, and I am STILL many dollars ahead.
Troll on!
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