I need help "PLEASE" Celica GT 1985 - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

celicachick · 11-10-2005, 08:29 PM

Please any guys who can help me I need help immediately!!!!!

I have an 1985 celica GT . I wrecked my car the motor blew up. It was rebuilt. Now I have MAJOR problems. When i step on the gas the motor goes up to 2000 rpm on the gauge thingy. It just keeps jumping up and down up and down. It dont matter how far i push the gas pedal to the floor : ( What can this be please help? I had a friend check all the wire thingys going to the motor but he says its all fine. BUT ITS NOT PRETTY PLEASE ANY INFO ? Thank you ,
CELICACHICK

thousand_five · 11-10-2005, 10:38 PM

We need a little more information.... Like where was your car hit at? What do you mean blew up??? Were they fixed?

celicachick · 11-11-2005, 06:51 AM

Ok I ran my car off the side of the road. Very minor body damadge. had that fixed. Ok i was driving it the day after because it still was drivable, to take it to a body shop but the motor quit on me going down the road. had it towed to a shop where the guys the told me i needed a new crank shaft and said a rod burnt. well they fixed that and now my car still is not fixed, it cranks up and runs but if i press the gas pedal and rev it over 2000 rpms it goes up and down up and down. cant drive it and those people said they dont know what to check next. someone said maybe the mass ait flow meter was bad but i just dont know, if they are not sure then i dont want to pay for something else thats not gonna fix it. Thanks fo all your help. ANY IDEAS?
CELICACHICK

maxpower_hd · 11-11-2005, 08:04 AM

First, I would find a better mechanic. If the can rebuild or replace a motor they should be able to diagnose this.

Unfortunately, this is a situation where it would be complex to troubleshoot in person so it would be very difficult over the net. There are many things that could be wrong. If you are not able to work on this yourself it will be nearly impossibe to step you through it.

Did they rebuild the motor or replace it with another used one? The mass air flow sensor, not meter, is an electronic sensor that should be very easy for the mechanic to check if he is a reputable one. They have electronic readers that get the engine codes from the ECM.

You may have to bite the bullet and go somewhere else. The unfortunate part is the new guy will have to figure out where the other guy went wrong instead of starting from the beginning.

Good luck!

19Celi87 · 11-11-2005, 03:50 PM

Key las ick symptoms of intake leak, possib vaccum.

Check all tubes and hoses. 10 to 1 that's your problem.

19Celi87 · 11-11-2005, 03:52 PM

I don't care what anyone tells you...AFM's just don't fail due to the car being josteled a bit. Or a lot for that matter.

19Celi87 · 11-11-2005, 03:56 PM

By the way, did you happen to request your old parts that they replaced with re-man or new?
I'm guessin' they efffed' you royal. Crank and rod due to eradic idle as a first guess? Bull efen ship. Call em and tell em you know. Your still screwed but if they over-react you will know.

19Celi87 · 11-11-2005, 04:01 PM

Sorry one more. DO NOT RETURN TO THAT SHOP UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. EVEN IF THEY OFFER THE HOOK UP DEAL TO YA. Crank and rod is major repair work. How much and how long did they have it? Just curious.

celicachick · 11-11-2005, 11:32 PM

I thank you guys that replied for the help you tried to give me. Just to let you all know I am Blond but NOT a DUMB blond. To MAXPOWER_HD just to let you know a 1985 toyota celica has a MASS AIR FLOW METER!!!! ( this measures the ammount of air coming from the air cleaner through the snorkel into the throttle body) 1985 was not OBD II . You acted like i didnt know what i was talking about almost as if i was stupid but i do know about my car! As far as the electronic readers as YOU call them, the correct termenology is a SCAN TOOL. It will not hook up to this year model car. You have to jump the T1 and the E terminal to allow the check engine light to flash the code!!!! This is also how you set base idle. TO 19CELI87 you didnt seem to act as if i was as dumb as the other guy thought i was and i appreciate that but, my vehicle ran great until i burnt the rod, it had nothing to do with the wreck. Guess i should have been a little clearer on that matter. AFTER my motor was rebuilt is when the acceleration problem started. It was a complete rebuild with new parts I saw the parts myself, and yes i got the old ones back!!! All vacuum leaks and vacuum hoses have been replaced and routed per diagram.The problem is that it WILL NOT accellerate over 2500 RPM and it starts fluctuating when i reach this point( goes up and down ) anything under runs great. But i cant drive the car at 2000 RPM. This is my problem and noone so far has been able to tell me or figure out what is causing this. Any Ideas on what to check? or what might be the problem? I appreciate your help. Thanks to all, Celicachick.

19Celi87 · 11-12-2005, 02:09 AM

All in good fun, but pretty sure you have an AFM not an MAF there is a diff. But you have eased my worried mind as to:

"Oh my god. . .really. . .is that bad?" That sometimes comes when a member of the "cute but dosen't know what combustion means" stero type attempts to discuss cars.

Little harsh on the other responder, you did throw your arms up and said ANY help. I try to never assume insult when I request help.

But that said,
You had me at "I saw the old parts". You one smart celichick. I'm gonna use a bad word cause it's the only one that truly applies: Always assume auto repair shops are out to FUCK you.

Fuel cut sensor. It lives inside the TPS and AFM I'm pretty sure (in tandem that is). TPS was prob an obvious first look soooo.
Have you (and I recommend to all mid 80's-93 Celi drivers) gotten into your harness and looked for heat dried cracked wiring? It's a bitch but as I rewired my harness. . .amazing what I found in brittle damaged wire.
My guess now is leaning to signal error of some sort. Did 85 have full TCCS yet? My forte' is between 86-93.

Hotwheelharmer · 11-12-2005, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by celicachick

I thank you guys that replied for the help you tried to give me. Just to let you all know I am Blond but NOT a DUMB blond. To MAXPOWER_HD just to let you know a 1985 toyota celica has a MASS AIR FLOW METER!!!! ( this measures the ammount of air coming from the air cleaner through the snorkel into the throttle body) 1985 was not OBD II . You acted like i didnt know what i was talking about almost as if i was stupid but i do know about my car! As far as the electronic readers as YOU call them, the correct termenology is a SCAN TOOL. It will not hook up to this year model car. You have to jump the T1 and the E terminal to allow the check engine light to flash the code!!!! This is also how you set base idle. TO 19CELI87 you didnt seem to act as if i was as dumb as the other guy thought i was and i appreciate that but, my vehicle ran great until i burnt the rod, it had nothing to do with the wreck. Guess i should have been a little clearer on that matter. AFTER my motor was rebuilt is when the acceleration problem started. It was a complete rebuild with new parts I saw the parts myself, and yes i got the old ones back!!! All vacuum leaks and vacuum hoses have been replaced and routed per diagram.The problem is that it WILL NOT accellerate over 2500 RPM and it starts fluctuating when i reach this point( goes up and down ) anything under runs great. But i cant drive the car at 2000 RPM. This is my problem and noone so far has been able to tell me or figure out what is causing this. Any Ideas on what to check? or what might be the problem? I appreciate your help. Thanks to all, Celicachick.

Ok first of all you have an Air Flow Meter not a Mass Air Flow. There is a difference in the two and if you want to argue with me on that I am fine with it because I will just get all of my automotive books from college or I will get out all of my Toyota books from when I went through the Toytoa certified tech program. As for your problem with the car have you had the throttle position sensor checked yet and have you checked your EGR system either? If not check both of those and you might find the problem to be one of those two areas.

celicachick · 11-12-2005, 08:02 AM

Thanks for your help. Im not an arguing kind of girl, but i dont want people to think im stupid like maxpower_hd acted like i was all i wanted was some idea of what it could be! I do not know everything about cars and never even thought to argue the point with you hotwheelharmer. You had some very good suggestions for me and i appreciate it so very much!!!! I have checked the EGR system and it is functioning properly : ) but I have not checked the TPS ( throttle position sensor ) this does make very good sense. This will be the next check done on the vehicle!!! I couldn't figure out what else to check that was the reason for my post. Question for you? If it is the TPS sensor do you have any idea if it is replacable on a 85 celica or will i have to replace the throttle body? another question? if the whole engine was pressure washed while they had it apart could water have gotten into the TPS causing this malfunction? They did wash the motor while it was disassembled!!!! Thanks so much for all the info this just might be the fix for my car I will let you know what the outcome is. Again THANKS : )

HIYA 19CELI87, thanks hun for your input also. The TPS wasnt an obvious first look eveidently lol I didnt even think about it so maybe i am the dumb blond lmao. I learned alot about Toyota's and cars from an EX boyfriend. He was a certified Toyota Pro and had 10 years experience on Toyota and an ASE master Technician. But you know how EX's can be : ) thats why i haven't dialed his number and asked for help at all!!!! Thanks again for your help hun.

O.K. Just want to apologize to anyone i may have been harsh to or offended in this forum. It's hard to be a single celicachick with car problems LMAO. It can get the best of us at times. THANKS TO EVERYONE and you ALL have been a great help. I will let you all know the outcome after checking the TPS!!!!!

Hotwheelharmer · 11-12-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by celicachick

Thanks for your help. Im not an arguing kind of girl, but i dont want people to think im stupid like maxpower_hd acted like i was all i wanted was some idea of what it could be! I do not know everything about cars and never even thought to argue the point with you hotwheelharmer. You had some very good suggestions for me and i appreciate it so very much!!!! I have checked the EGR system and it is functioning properly : ) but I have not checked the TPS ( throttle position sensor ) this does make very good sense. This will be the next check done on the vehicle!!! I couldn't figure out what else to check that was the reason for my post. Question for you? If it is the TPS sensor do you have any idea if it is replacable on a 85 celica or will i have to replace the throttle body? another question? if the whole engine was pressure washed while they had it apart could water have gotten into the TPS causing this malfunction? They did wash the motor while it was disassembled!!!! Thanks so much for all the info this just might be the fix for my car I will let you know what the outcome is. Again THANKS : )

HIYA 19CELI87, thanks hun for your input also. The TPS wasnt an obvious first look eveidently lol I didnt even think about it so maybe i am the dumb blond lmao. I learned alot about Toyota's and cars from an EX boyfriend. He was a certified Toyota Pro and had 10 years experience on Toyota and an ASE master Technician. But you know how EX's can be : ) thats why i haven't dialed his number and asked for help at all!!!! Thanks again for your help hun.

O.K. Just want to apologize to anyone i may have been harsh to or offended in this forum. It's hard to be a single celicachick with car problems LMAO. It can get the best of us at times. THANKS TO EVERYONE and you ALL have been a great help. I will let you all know the outcome after checking the TPS!!!!!

The TPS can be taken off of the throttle body. If the TPS is the problem and you replace it you will have to adjust it to the correct specs. Having the motor pressure washed might have caused it to short inside the TPS but it could also just have been tired out and stopped working or something like that. there is no real way to tell for sure on that.

maxpower_hd · 11-14-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by celicachick

Please any guys who can help me I need help immediately!!!!!

I have an 1985 celica GT . I wrecked my car the motor blew up. It was rebuilt. Now I have MAJOR problems. When i step on the gas the motor goes up to 2000 rpm on the gauge thingy. It just keeps jumping up and down up and down. It dont matter how far i push the gas pedal to the floor : ( What can this be please help? I had a friend check all the wire thingys going to the motor but he says its all fine. BUT ITS NOT PRETTY PLEASE ANY INFO ? Thank you ,
CELICACHICK

Celicachick,

First, I wasn't trying to imply that you are stupid. The way you originally posted your message with reference to the gauge thingy and wire thingy's made me think you weren't familiar engines at all so please ease up on the thrashing. If you don't want people to think you are stupid be a little more clear with your posts.

Second, you obviously know more about your car than I do. I am admittedly not very familiar with foreign cars since most of my experience has been with American makes until just recently. So I apoligize for the confusion on the mass air flow sensor comment. I certainly wasn't trying to spur any arguments.

Lastly, the main point of my post was that the mechanic that rebuilt the motor must not be a very good one if he isn't willing or able to put the time and effort into diagnosing the engine he himself rebuilt and that it would probably be a good idea to bring it to a different mechanic unless you are going to fix it yourself.

I wish you luck even though you thrashed me pretty hard. I re read my post and still don't think it sounded like I was implying you are stupid but I am sorry you felt like it did.

celicachick · 11-15-2005, 02:37 PM

Thank you HOTWHEELHAMMER and 19CELI87 Both you guys hit the nail on the head IT WAS MY TPS sensor : ) I found the tool to check it and thanks to Hotwheelhammer i know i dont have to remove anything but the Tps sensor and Im going to do that this weekend!!!!!! However i called to order the part and it $259.00 : ( a lot of money for such a little part!!! I already apologised to you Maxpower_hd. I guess you didnt read the post right above the one you wrote me back. Thanks for all your help EVERYONE. I am finally gonna have my car running I am overjoyed and can't wait!!! I again am sorry if i offended anyone. I can't give enough thanks for the help i got from you guys. Thank You,
CELICACHICK : )