All Trac handling question

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Don't know if anyone here has an all trac but I thought I'd ask. I checked alltrac.net and didn't find any answers, though I did find one post similar to mine with no responses :/

Anyway, how well do celica all trac turbos do in solo 2 races? I would think a rally-based car would do well, ala the wrx or evo, but I wanted to know driver's impressions. Do you get decent times? Are you happy with its autocross performance? I'm trying to decide what sort of project/fun car I'd like to get, with autox being the main application (the camry just isn't cutting it

Any advice appreciated.

[celica/camry]

ive heard that altracs stock handeling could be better but then toyota gave some of there elier cars very soft suspension ...(example...us celica)....so i amagine if u got a good suspension set up that would help.....oh and btw the car weighs about as much as a 95 2dr camry....i think it weighs about 3082 lbs....but i have a friend of mine that uses a 90 celica st for autocrossing and he said hes happy with it

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Cool, that's the sort of info I was looking for. I'd known about the weight issue just from research. I was hoping the all wheel drive would sort of help out dealing with that, at least as far as oversteer/understeer is concerned. If suspension is an issue, I'd definitely upgrade it anyway. It being a project car and all. Thanks for the info

[Den]

I am a celica lover. I can say GT4 is definitly a good and potential car. But it is heavy~ It should be weight more than 3082lbs, correct me if you have exact weight. If you want your GT4 become a nice project car, you should work on weight redcution too~. I know the factory GT4 brake are decent with their 185hp, unless you increase your horsepower a lot, otherwise, brake should be ok.


that's all i know
If i have a chance to get a GT4, I will definity go for it.
there is no doubt~

[celica/camry]

USDM 93 all trac weighs 3218lbs

[allblackalltrac]

USDM 88-89' AllTrac weighs 4040lbs

I know cause I have one. IMHO as far as a autox car is concerned there are better. Remember back in 87-88' Toyota raced these cars in rally and were succesful- back then. By todays standards these cars cant compet, their over 14 yrs old and the suspension in most need to be replaced. Vehicle weight is not as important as unsprung weight(weight of moving parts). Vehicle weight can be counter mearsured by weight reduction or horsepower increase. Where unsprung weight has to be tackled using lighter drivetrain and suspension components. Dont get me wrong these cars can be very competitive in autox but competitiveness comes at a price...AllTrac's are EXPENSIVE! Parts are rare and hard to source. Most mechanics turn pall at the sight of one of these cars, dealer or special order parts only, did I mention expensive?
If you are entering autox competitions to be competive choose a better car to do it. If you are doing it for enjoyment, want something different from the crowd, and have money to burn than get an AllTrac.

[TewksCelica]

if you want to lose some weight, you DO have two useless seats back there that'll drop about 100lbs. also the alltrack coulc suffer in auto-x due to turbo lag. its a proven, time tested fact that turbos dont do as well as NA in auto x (even with the disgusting HP difference). HOWEVER..... the GT-4 (alltrack) f'n ROCKS. get one to race on the track though rather than in the auto-x. and if you DO get one swap the engine for a gen 3 j-spec 3sgte and throw a t-67 turbo on there...... big lag but HUGE boost. oh wait i'm sorry was i drooling. hope you get one.

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If you take the seats out that is a one point mod and seats don't weigh that much to lose valuable point when you could be adding something that will make a real difference.

It also depends you your area uses PAX or not. Try asking on one of the sports car club websites. I recomend http://cscc.speedracer.ca/phpBB2/

[TewksCelica]

got to disagree. back seats can weigh up to 100 lbs... thats a fair amount of weight. infact i'd say its worth it it pull the passenger seat on race day. weight reduction like that is the cheapest way to shave off seconds. it may add points but its worth it.

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Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I pretty much figured that it'd end up being a a money sucker, cause I plan on it being a project car, and the fact that it's so old sort of lends itself to higher prices and lower part availability.

Whatever car I get will be running in SCCA events, as well as potentially road rally (I navigated in one last winter and it was hella fun). I'll definitely be doing weight reduction and modding to whatever car I end up getting. For example, getting a smaller turbo to defeat the lag issue or some such, totally replace the suspension, whatever seems like it'll help. The points and indexing aren't so much of an issue because my primary aim is to have a car that will do well while driving recklessly on autox courses I'm not in it for competition, but for enjoyment, really. The Alltrac appeals to me because it's awd, reasonably powerful, and somewhat unique. I rather like the styling, too.

The part prices may end up being a concern so I'll definitely have to weigh that in. Still in the decision process at this point... I'm not going to hurry and just buy something until I'm sure it's what I want.

I still think it'd be pretty sweet to put a 7mgte into an 81 supra, but that'd probably end up being even more costly

[allblackalltrac]

well....after reading up on the classifications for autox cars I would have to retract my statement from before and say that an AllTrac would kick ass in in stock plus class! I think I may not sell my AllTrac afterall....just think what a ST165 with a swaped 3rd gen 3sgte(2.0L, WAIC, 20B, 250HP @ 15psi, no lag) could do on the track with good suspension, and you wont be breaking any rules....hmmmm....

-Daniel

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I don't know how they'd treat a motor swap. They might bump you into a Street Prepared class. I know chipped Audi TTs get pushed into street prepared. Hell, if you get a short shifter you're moved up a class (which is idiocy, IMHO).

[allblackalltrac]

How would the tech inspectors know it was a motor swap? I mean its says 3sgte on the timing cover and the sticker under my hood says 3sgte...besides I dont think they would know the difference from a 1st gen from a 3rd gen. It gets annoying after a while explaining to people that Toyota offered an all wheel drive turbo Celica from the factory.

-Daniel

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They probably wouldn't, but ya never know They kind of go on the honor system for that sort of thing, at least in my experience. But yeah, most likely you could get away with it.

[celica/camry]

just use a 90-93 stx or gt coupe celica in auto xing