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Old 04-06-2007, 06:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Very odd

Okay i've looked at every VIN diagram on the internet and none of them make sense for my car.

I have a '94 Celica ST 1.8; this is my VIN JT2AT00F3R000XXXX

According to this diagram http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_VIN_codes:

1996-up diagram- The is 5th digit is the engine.

My 5th digit is a T, which would give me one of the following engines:2UZ-FE,1NZ-FE,3S-GTE, which would kind of make sense, but none are the 7A-FE I was told was in my car.

And keeping with the 1996 diagram the model of the car is the 8th digit, mine being an F, which would make my model an FJ Cruiser. Yes, I know that makes no sense, my car is not an SUV by any stretch of the imagination, it's a run of the mill 2 + 2 Celica Coupe.

Okay so that didn't work, but my car is a '94, so let's go with the proper diagram.

.. the 1980-1995 diagram...

Engine type on this diagram is the 4th digit, as opposed to the 5th. My fourth digit being an A, which would make my engine a 7A-FE, which would make sense. That should be my engine. But keeping with the 1980-1995 diagram the 7th digit is the model, as opposed to the 8th digit as in the 1996+ diagram. My 7th digit is a 0 which would make my my car an MR2 Spyder, which I very well don't have.

Now according to the previous owner, the boys at some mechanic shop worked on the car and somehow destroyed the engine, replacing it with supposedly a '97 7A-FE. But the diagram would suggest otherwise.

So...A)My VIN is just screwed up for some reason
B)There is a proper diagram out there i'm missing(mind you the wiki diagram is the same as in my manual)
or C)They dropped the engine from and MR2 Spyder in my car.


Well you mechanics and car wizzs' out there, what's the word?

I would greatly appreciate some help on this one. And feel free to say "Retard, you're reading the diagram wrong..." because that could very well be the case.
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Old 04-06-2007, 11:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm thinking you are still not looking at the correct diagram. Your best bet would be to take your vin # to your local dealership. Go to the parts department, and they should be able to use your vin to pull up the exact characteristics of your car, no need to go hunting around online looking for the correct diagram.

As for your engine, the vin will not change if an engine is swapped. If someone customized it and put in a 5sfe or something that wasn't stock, your VIN would not reflect that.

Now, if you go through all that and even the dealership says that it reads to be a MR2, then you might have a case of fraud on your hands. Or, it could just be a weird Toyota screwup.
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Old 04-06-2007, 04:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, here, just take a look at my engine.
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Old 04-06-2007, 04:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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well I can tell you its not a 5sfe or a 3sgte... cant say much more than that... not sure but I would have to say a 7afe.
ok I found some pictures of the 7afe engine and it is identical in appearance to your engine.

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Old 04-06-2007, 05:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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well I can tell you its not a 5sfe or a 3sgte... cant say much more than that... not sure but I would have to say a 7afe.
ok I found some pictures of the 7afe engine and it is identical in appearance to your engine.
Thanks a lot, my VIN is probably just screwy.
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Is my engine SOHC, Or DOHC?
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its DOHC
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Since yours is a 1994 vehichle, you need to look in the "1980-1995" section.
The fourth digit is for the engine and is A, which is correct. The "AT00" part is really trying to say "AT200" except that only 2 digits were allow for the model number (200).
The VIN doesn't say which actual engine you have, only which family (A series). The 00 (which is 200 without the leading 2) and a Toyota database then tells you that the AT200 had a 7A engine.
Even worse, the VIN doesn't tell you if you have a single cam or dohc (but we just happen to know that the AT200 had a 7A-FE).
The VIN tells very little useful information.

It doesn't help that the wiki page has some errors and ofthen confuses the 80-95 codes with their 95 onwards equivalents (ie calling position 5 in the description when it is position 4 for 80-95 and then giving a list which only applies to the 95- version). Oh well, looks like I have another wiki page to edit.

Much more interesting is the build code which should look similar to AT200-SMGEA.
This tells you the engine type (EFI, DOHC, sports/economy), body style (coupe/liftback), gearbox (auto/manual, how many gears) and the grade (GT-S, ZX, etc).
This is found on the build plate in the engine bay, typically on the firewall.
The build plate will also tell you explicitly what engine you have, along with gearbox, diff, trim, paint and a few more things.

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Since yours is a 1994 vehichle, you need to look in the "1980-1995" section.
The fourth digit is for the engine and is A, which is correct. The "AT00" part is really trying to say "AT200" except that only 2 digits were allow for the model number (200).
The VIN doesn't say which actual engine you have, only which family (A series). The 00 (which is 200 without the leading 2) and a Toyota database then tells you that the AT200 had a 7A engine.
Even worse, the VIN doesn't tell you if you have a single cam or dohc (but we just happen to know that the AT200 had a 7A-FE).
The VIN tells very little useful information.

It doesn't help that the wiki page has some errors and ofthen confuses the 80-95 codes with their 95 onwards equivalents (ie calling position 5 in the description when it is position 4 for 80-95 and then giving a list which only applies to the 95- version). Oh well, looks like I have another wiki page to edit.

Much more interesting is the build code which should look similar to AT200-SMGEA.
This tells you the engine type (EFI, DOHC, sports/economy), body style (coupe/liftback), gearbox (auto/manual, how many gears) and the grade (GT-S, ZX, etc).
This is found on the build plate in the engine bay, typically on the firewall.
The build plate will also tell you explicitly what engine you have, along with gearbox, diff, trim, paint and a few more things.

- Stepho
Wow, thanks for the in depth response, I appreciate it : )
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your motor is really a DOHC but when you order parts and they ask, tell them a SOHC, the reason for this is incredibly stupid, it has 1 cam gear and an idiot would think single cam and this same idiot wrote the parts book, the DOHC motor has 2 gears and this idiot sees 2 cam gears and says 2 cams and DOHC, its been this way for years
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