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Old 08-21-2007, 04:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey Guys

I have a nice little rust hole under the front drivers side. I am trying to post a cpl of pics i took on the rust spot, but dont know how? Also i would like to know the best way to fix this but pictures will def help...... can anyone help me, thanks.
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Here is a couple of pictures, tell me what u guys think

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5815/dsc00094mg2.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7129/dsc00093iy6.jpg
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Hey Guys

I have a nice little rust hole under the front drivers side. I am trying to post a cpl of pics i took on the rust spot, but dont know how? Also i would like to know the best way to fix this but pictures will def help...... can anyone help me, thanks.
You can host pictures at www.photobucket.com

When you get your pics uploaded, you have to use the [img]insert picture URL here[/img] to make the picture show up in your post.

Hope that helps.
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You need to grind away that underbody coating to see how far the rust goes, then cut out all the rusted metal. After that, you need to bend some sheet metal to fit in that spot and have it welded in. Then get some rubberized underbody coating from the auto parts store and spray under there on the new metal.
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Cut and weld new metal, go to a specialist, don,t try yourself. Avoid ruberized coating, it will crack and dry with the salt...go to Krown or any other oil based rustproofing system
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Can you try to get a little bit wider of an angle. I'm trying to see where this exactly is. I see the pinch welds in one of the pics so I know it's close to the rocker. But it appears to be floorpan not framerail.

If it's not structural then you can most likely do it youself if you know how to weld. Being that it is a unibody chassis, The framerails, Rockers. Torque boxes, Roof and Quarter pannels are your biggest metal pieces that keep the rigidity of your frame.
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what if i clean it out and use bondo? and i will try to get to few better pictures tho
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Cut and weld new metal, go to a specialist, don,t try yourself. Avoid ruberized coating, it will crack and dry with the salt...go to Krown or any other oil based rustproofing system
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Ahh, I forgot about the salt. I don't have to worry about that here. In that case, check out the POR-15 line of products. Also, any marine type coatings should work also.
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what if i clean it out and use bondo? and i will try to get to few better pictures tho
Bondo is the last thing you want under there. It's a talc based body filler and being natrally porous. Will let water vapor collect inside of it and eventually rust again.

If you don't have access to welding equiptment. This is not a perminant fix. But it will last.

You can use a wire wheel to take off all of the undercoating. Take a die grinder and a small rotory cutting tool. Mostly a dremmel. And clean out all of the rust to bare metal. Get a clean plate of metal to go overtop of the area, overlaping all of your seams by atleast a half inch, a full inch is best.

Use a 3M pannel bond. It's a structural adheasive. It's the same thing Chevy uses to hold the body pannels of the Z06 Vette as well as Porsche uses it on their 911's. It's very very strong. Then have someone tack weld the corners. You might be able to talk an exhaust shop into doing it. Or use self tapping screws to hold the corners down. The only weekness of Pannel bond is that it can pryed up from a corner, but it's just as strong as a weld to Tensile (pulling) and Compressive (pushing) stresses. The tack welds or screws arent needed but they are added insurance.

Then you can use an appropriate undercoating for your weather conditions. I have to look into the POR-15 products that VIP09 mentioned. I've only undercoated one car which was an AW11 MR2 that was done with rhino liner for track use.

To really fix the problem a new piece should be stitch welded in.
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so if i understand correctly the best is to get a peice welded there to cover the hole, does anything need to be filled in behind the plate? I am gonna put my car up on stands tommorow and see if i can get a better look, but is def a hard place to get into
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not to cover, but to replace !
You can save a lot of money if you do a lot by yourself
Remove the carpets, and seats if needed
Clean the area,
Cut all the rust
Go to your shop and ask them to weld new metal
Paint yourself, with rust bullet or similar product.
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