2000-2002 Celica gts

[MTV'sMR2]

(MTV'sMR2's buddy) I got a celica gts 2002 and im startin to hook it up what are all the things that can be done cuz i wanna hook it up for track

[A Diddy]

sell the car if u doing it for track and get a track worthy car. The car was made as a pocket rocket economy car. If u want to get a bit more speed out of it just do intake headers and exhaust and call it a day. The amount of money u are gonna spend or could spend turboing it (aftermarket obviously) or supercharging it wont get u crazy gains and the car will only be like 40-60 hp and torque more powerfull unless u upgrade internals...

In the end take the car for what it is, a nice looking peppy car that u can add some power and looks to easily. Get the intake headers and exhaust...throw on a kaminari body kit, drop it like 2 inches and put some nice 17 inch rims on them, get HIDs, stereo system...then call it a day.

[Vip09]

Don't listen to him.

The 7th gen celica does great in it's class. Do some research on newcelica.org.

[A Diddy]

ahaaha ok listen to Vip and waste your money on a FWD car for track...go for it. Key word he spoke was "in it's class" for the money you spend to make the faster on a 7th gen you could probably get a solid almost new RWD car (used 350z for example).

Think twice before investing, my words of caution..

[silver04rollas]

Don't listen to ignorant people. The 7th gen Celica GTS was the best handling Celica of all times and ran actually faster around the slaloms than a DC2 Integra Type R that came stock with an LSD at 69 mph and could pull close to 0.90g at the skid pad.

The chasis was incredibly capable around a race track with a feather light curb weight of 2520 lbs contributing to low amount of unsprung weight to throw around. The car basically handles like a go-kart.

For power builders, get the car tuned using Apexi PFC (your 2002 came with a stock 7800 rpm rev limiter so PFC can raise the limiter and tune lift from 5500 - 8700 rpm), intake, exhaust, flywheel, clutch and PPE race header. This should give 190+ HP. You can put coil overs, sway bars and sticky z-rated tires.

[A Diddy]

ignorant u say...I owned a 2002 celica GT-S for three years and yeah it handles well to a certain extent...but money you will waste on a car like that trying to make it "track worthy"...you could buy a car that comes track worthy ..again with the 350z for example which will run circles around the celica and kill it in short and long distance runs. I have a swapped 5th gen GTS as my second car now with a 3sgte and looking back I shouldve sold it and got an alltrac when i was spending my money on the swap? why? because i spent more money trying to make it a fast GTS then i wouldve by selling it and buying an alltrac and I wouldve got AWD out fo the deal with a few Gs in hand. All in all to each his own, you have your money and i have mine....im speaking from experience having owned the 7th gen gt-s and wasted money on it...same for the swapped 5th gen...

my opinion is, get a track car for the track...something with power and RWD if u are serious. The celica was made to be an economy pocket rocket and nothing more...

btw 190 hp and 120-130 lbs of torque is not "fast"...

[silver04rollas]

Good for you. Taking it a little further, M3 runs circles around a 350z/G35 all day long with more class and luxury so why waste money on 350z and not get an M3? or better yet, a Porsche 911 GT3 997 will run circles around M3 all day long so why waste money on the M3 and not get a Porsche GT3? What separates them is the money one spends.

One of the reasons why Toyota lags so far behind in the tuning industry is because of how people take this attitude "why spend all this money when I can get another car". It is all about making something uniquely your own and making the car as much fun for yourself along the way. It will also surprise a few people along the way.


If you have nothing productive to talk about then better stay quiet!

Originally Posted by A Diddy

ignorant u say...I owned a 2002 celica GT-S for three years and yeah it handles well to a certain extent...but money you will waste on a car like that trying to make it "track worthy"...you could buy a car that comes track worthy ..again with the 350z for example which will run circles around the celica and kill it in short and long distance runs. I have a swapped 5th gen GTS as my second car now with a 3sgte and looking back I shouldve sold it and got an alltrac when i was spending my money on the swap? why? because i spent more money trying to make it a fast GTS then i wouldve by selling it and buying an alltrac and I wouldve got AWD out fo the deal with a few Gs in hand. All in all to each his own, you have your money and i have mine....im speaking from experience having owned the 7th gen gt-s and wasted money on it...same for the swapped 5th gen...

my opinion is, get a track car for the track...something with power and RWD if u are serious. The celica was made to be an economy pocket rocket and nothing more...

btw 190 hp and 120-130 lbs of torque is not "fast"...

[94CoupeV6]

^ What he said.

[A Diddy]

buddy im being very productive in what im saying...and the M3 DOES NOT run circles around the 350z, that's ignorant as hell. And im talking with reason, yeah abuggatti will mess all of those cars up...if you are going to argue than do it with reason.

my point is very clear and the reason toyota is dying in the tuner market is because they dont give 2 shits about the tuner market...when was the last time there was actually a decent toyota sports car (please dont say solara)...1999? thats 8 years of making daddy and mommy cars. If you want to waste your money in making a unique slow car, more power to you...enjoy the torque spin and handling of a fwd car...if you calculate ahead of time and see how much money you plan on spending to "hook up the car for track", get the best bang for buck you can get after seeing how much you would spend. Ie if you are going to drope 10-15 Gs into the celica, and in the end you get max 200 bhp out of it and an embarassing amount of torque...why not invest the funds in something more worthy? sure you have a "unique celica"...but you still odnt have a good track car.

my 2c, and it is productive...money talks, I have no reason to stay quiet.

[feliks]

Here, have a cookie and call it a day.

[Qslim]

Originally Posted by A Diddy

buddy im being very productive in what im saying...and the M3 DOES NOT run circles around the 350z, that's ignorant as hell. And im talking with reason, yeah abuggatti will mess all of those cars up...if you are going to argue than do it with reason.

my point is very clear and the reason toyota is dying in the tuner market is because they dont give 2 shits about the tuner market...when was the last time there was actually a decent toyota sports car (please dont say solara)...1999? thats 8 years of making daddy and mommy cars. If you want to waste your money in making a unique slow car, more power to you...enjoy the torque spin and handling of a fwd car...if you calculate ahead of time and see how much money you plan on spending to "hook up the car for track", get the best bang for buck you can get after seeing how much you would spend. Ie if you are going to drope 10-15 Gs into the celica, and in the end you get max 200 bhp out of it and an embarassing amount of torque...why not invest the funds in something more worthy? sure you have a "unique celica"...but you still odnt have a good track car.

my 2c, and it is productive...money talks, I have no reason to stay quiet.

This is true. There were days working at the dealership when I would look up and down at the 30 or so lifts and want to take a nap because of what was on them. The only interesting thing they've had recently was the MR2 with the clutchless sequential 6 speed. At the time, it and the 360 Modena were the only production cars with that option. I had a blast driving them, and I got pretty familiar with them because the 4 people that actually bought one brought them in every other week with problems.
But anyway, I think that when it comes to spirited driving, Toyota's line up this decade has been really undesirable. They do a great job at making cars with decent options that go back and forth to the store for eons without breaking, but that's it. FWD, open differentals, and generally uncommunicative response has been a theme for a while now.

[silver04rollas]

Originally Posted by A Diddy

buddy im being very productive in what im saying...and the M3 DOES NOT run circles around the 350z, that's ignorant as hell..

For one, M3 is MUCH faster and quicker than the 350z any day of the week and that is a fact.
I am not making guesses. I have seen it with my own eyes and have plenty of proof, but this is a toyota board. Not Nissan or BMW. Point is, M3 is superior to 350z in every single way and a Porsche 911 GT3 will be faster than an M3 any day of the week.

I am sure just like you are making fun of Celicas as being slow and waste of money. People with extreme performance cars are making fun of your beloved 350z calling it a pissed-poor's sports car or a sports car for the budget minded people just like you are doing it to the Celica owners. Heck, all Evo or STI owners make fun of 350z modding potential because they can make their cars twice as fast around a race track for half the price spent on the 350z/G35.

Ie if you are going to drope 10-15 Gs into the celica, and in the end you get max 200 bhp out of it and an embarassing amount of torque...why not invest the funds in something more worthy? sure you have a "unique celica"...but you still odnt have a good track car.

What? 10 - 15 thousand for 200 BHP? That works out to be 1000 dollars per HP. WTF? What are you smoking? The European version of 2ZZ-GE came stock with 193 BHP. 2ZZ-GE here came with 180 HP stock, you are telling me it will take 10 - 15 thousand to make another 20 brake horsepower? Heck, 2ZZ-GE dynos 168 - 172 WHP with intake/exhaust alone. Do some math, that is over 190 HP at the crank. It takes a few grands to get 190 wheel HP from the 2ZZ-GE and making it capable of running high-13s or low 14s.

You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that there are many Celicas at newcelica.org that are running 13.7 - 14.0 secs all naturally aspirated.

Do a search on DY101 Celica GTS videos on streetfire.net in which he spanked 350z on the race track consistently running better times than 4 -5 different 350z on the same day. He still spent less money than a stock 350z.

That is even before we get into the boosted 2ZZs. There are many supercharged (Greddy etc.) and turbocharged Celica GTS at newcelica.org that make 300 - 400 WHP (turbo) and 210 - 230 WHP with superchargers. They must be stup*d to dish out the cash to make their cars fast. Right?


The point is, everyone marvels at the tuning market available for Honda engines like the K20 VTEC engine or B18 engines. There are tons of Honda tuners modding the RSX Type S and making fast cars capable of running mid-13s with intake/exhaust/race header/Hondata K-Pro. The 2ZZ-GE is extremely comparable with the K20 with intake/exhaust/flywheel/clutch/Hydra or PFC tuning. But, parts for 2ZZ-GE cost far more than they do for the K20 due to more competing brands available for the K20.

The reason why Honda gets so much aftermarket support and a variety of products bringing the prices down is because they do engine swaps, tune their car and are willing to spend money on their car. The aftermarket tuning companies start building products for Honda cars like Civic SI, Honda S2000 or RSX Type S right after they are released. Not so with Toyotas. It took more than 30 GTS/Corolla XRS/Matrix XRS people group buy to get a PPE race header built for 2ZZ-GE that gives 9 WHP gains on the dyno that was designed by an XRS owner/2ZZ tuner himself. All others have been rubbish (Weaper R, DC sports etc.) because they are rebadged 1ZZ header being sold as 2ZZ-GE race headers.


Instead of discouraging the original poster and prompting him to sell is car, I am sure you made your point that Celicas are worthless as performance cars at more than one occassion so there is no point in you repeating yourself over and over again. Move on with your life.

[A Diddy]

"The European version of 2ZZ-GE came stock with 193 BHP"
-false, came with 190 CRANK hp...i hope u realise the difference...

"Do a search on DY101 Celica GTS videos on streetfire.net in which he spanked 350z on the race track consistently running better times than 4 -5 different 350z on the same day. He still spent less money than a stock 350z."
-did the search no indication of money spent

"That is even before we get into the boosted 2ZZs. There are many supercharged (Greddy etc.) and turbocharged Celica GTS at newcelica.org that make 300 - 400 WHP (turbo) and 210 - 230 WHP with superchargers. They must be stup*d to dish out the cash to make their cars fast. Right? "
-how much money did the 400 whp cars run. Sticking to 350z for arguments sake, with a stillen charger it's a 4 second car, a FWD celica with 400 hp is probably really fun to control with all that torque spin...its not just about engine output..its about power transmission.

I am not gonna argue this all day. IMO throwing that much money into a FWD car for track is laughable, start with a better platform. Your childish comments like move on with your life show that you really are taking these comments to heart and maybe you feel there is truth to it. I've been a "toyota fan boy" for a long time now, having started with a camry..moved on to a seventh gen gt-s then a 5th gen which i swapped (3sgte)...now when i came time to decide what to get next...one would logically go for a complete car from the get go..so i got a vq based car, and if i want to "hook it up" itll will spank the hell out of ANY of the celicas you are mentioning and can most likely spank easily 80% with me having made no engine mods to date.

In the end you can enjoy driving in your corolla/matrix/celica trying your best to make it a fast car and dumping money in it like crazy. When it comes time to sell you will get nothing for your mods and will be kciking yourself in the ass. A smarter individual will watch what they are investing in, think it thru thoroughly then decide what to do.

I am providing my perspective, i'm sorry u cant accept it. Now I guess you can move on with your life...btw dont hold your breathe on the next affrodable toyota sports car
honestly i could argue this with you all day. Fact of the matter is, anyone can waste tons of cash on a car and claim it to be unique.

[Vip09]

A Diddy - You sound like you are assuming he is trying to take this Celica to complete at a national level or something. For all we know, he may just want to install a set of lowering springs and a strut tower bar and take it to the local scca autoX meet for a little fun. There's nothing wrong with that. He would be competing against cars in his class.

[A Diddy]

Hey Vip im all for that..my first post ended like this:

"In the end take the car for what it is, a nice looking peppy car that u can add some power and looks to easily. Get the intake headers and exhaust...throw on a kaminari body kit, drop it like 2 inches and put some nice 17 inch rims on them, get HIDs, stereo system...then call it a day."

If he wants to take it to the local scca autoX meet for a little fun, who am I to criticize him for it, heck go stock and have a blast. However if he is going the hardcore route i would think it through thats all.