im struggling with these engines cause i wana drift. im wondering will the 22r put up with or not and if the 4a-g would givem e better or results as well im planing on doind a rear swap for mk1 supra for that lsd so im stomp any help will be appreciated thank your time and advice
1982 toyota Celica 3rd Gen
I don't think either of those motors will really give you the power you'll need. I have a 4AGE in my MR2 and I have a hard time getting one wheel to spin.
i dont think mr2s a are equiped with an lsd im not looking for to much power at all i just like drifting my car !!! and there is also a 4age in a corolla
Some of them do have LSD's in them but even still the 4AGE only makes around 100hp stock. And with the LSD in them it's even harder to break traction. With intake and exhaust you'll get up to 110-115hp range. Then cams will boost you up to around 130ish but they'll cost you an arm and a leg. There is a lot of work that has to be done to the 4AGE to even get to 150hp range and for drifting that isn't much power.
Looking at the specs for the 1982 Celica as well will show you that the 4AGE isn't really the right choice. The car weighs in around 2500lbs, I take it that you've had some weight loss in yours due to the drifting interest. That'll help some. The car also appears to have come with a 2.4L engine, the 4AGE is only 1.6L. The power output looks to be the same though at around 100hp. You'll have more room to gain power out of a 2.4L than a 1.6L. You could always go with a 4AGZE if you'd like. The 1.6L Supercharged version that puts out around 140hp with the option to upgrade the pullys on it and boost it from 7-8psi to 12-14psi. The power will jump up to the 170ish range if you've got a good flowing intake system along with exhaust. Cams really don't gain much in the motor though, only moves the powerband around and gives you a few more horses in the other areas.
Also you said that the corolla the 4AGE and yes they do. Yes they are also able to drift as well but not without engine mods to give them enough power to.
I'm just trying to give you info since I know a little bit about the motor in queston. If I've made any mistakes I hope to be corrected on them. If you'd like to go with the 4AGE/4AGZE then by all means do it. Do what YOU want to do to the car. In my opinion I think you should look around and see what else can be put into the car. Also the 4AGE and 4AGZE are designed diffrently. You can't buy a 4AGE and put a supercharger on it. Well you can but it won't last long at all.
Looking at pictures of a 84 Celica there seems to be alot of room under the hood. Mayne you could squeeze in a 7MGE N/A supra motor? Maybe even the 7MGTE motor. Either one of those would give you more than enough power to swing that baby around like no tomarrow. Also the N/A 7MGE motor is quite a work horse so you know it'll last a good while before something goes bad. Just make sure that you replace the head gasket, those are the first things to go out on them. Maybe some head studs while you're in there.
Anyways I'm fallin' asleep here so I'ma shut up now. Good luck with whatever it is you end up doing.
The 22R is a good engine, but it does not like high RPM unless it's built to handle it. Have a look in the "pre-88" truck section; there's a guy there who built a 22R turbo out of a n/a one. There is also a guy on toyota3tc.com who has a 10-second Corolla with a 22R. I have owned several, and they are a good engine.
what about the 22re casue i would like to get rid of the carburator but i dont if that is any good caseu they both have the same power
and on top of that i want to do the rear end swap so i can get that supra lsd in my car but will the engine be able to turn the diff
If you're going turbo then go with the fuel injected 22re/22ret. If you want to supercharge then stick with the carb. NA? I'd say stick with the carb for NA. Seems to be more options out there for a carb 22r.
There are other engine options too besides the 4age. Theres the 3tgte that'll probably be an easier swap than a 4ag. Harder to find parts though. Theres also always the option of going V8 or i6.
will i want keep the car balance for me its not about how big your engine is because you can push a lot with four bangers thats why ill consider putting 4 bangers no more than that i aint trying to go pro but id like my car to handle the way it should so ive been stomp on that wether to swap for the 4age or the 22re but i dont know what can push more casue according to celica-gts.com these engines can be pushed up to 200 plus horses. so id like to keep it simple to where i can work around the engine. a 7m or 5m engine is powerful but heavy and causing the car to be to heavy in the front thats why i wana keep a 4 banger. besides i aint trying to race i just wana have fun lol
The 1600cc 4A-GE is a good engine but it will struggle to keep up with a 2400cc 22R unless you like high revs all day.
Much better to keep to the 22R.
Keeping the 22R also avoids issues like modifying crossmembers, gearboxes, gearstick location, etc.
If you don't like carbs then the 22R-E is a direct swap except for the wiring.
Plenty of people have made drag car engines from the 22R-E by using it's great low down torque.
Standard trick is to put a 20R head on it (only fits some 22R blocks) to raise the compression ratio.
If you want to turbo it then better to start with the stronger 22R-TE turbo block (but replace it's useless turbo).
The 7M has been done but it takes a lot of work.
It also shifts the weight balance too far forward and it will handle like a wounded pig (the Supra has an extra 3" to allow for this).
If you want a really strong engine then try the 1UZ-FE.
Not recommended for a first time project but it has been done with great results.
Even better if you add twin turbos (tip, turn the exhausts around, put the turbos at the front and then wrap the exhaust under and out).
The Supra independent rear suspension fits replaces the RA64 Celica's solid axle easily enough.
You will need to drill some locating holes in the chassis rails and cut off the panhard rod bracket but this isn't hard.
Even easier if you have the RA65 Celica with IRS because you only have to change the actual diff itself.
You can use the 20R head on a 22RE ('85+) but as stepho said, it requires machining about .120" (~3mm) iirc off the head to maintain the cam-to-crank center distance. But I have run a 20R head on an early 22R with good results.
The "E" only means it's EFI, other than that it doesn't matter ->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_R_engine.
How much power you want depends on how deep your pockets are. It's that simple. If you check out LC Engineering, you can see what people will pay who can't build one themselves.
Like DCM said, the -E just means EFI.
The 22R-E is much more tunable when used with an aftermarket computer, so it can be made to give give good power while still being drivable.
Whereas carbs can make good power only by giving up driveability.
For a 22R-E you will need the wiring loom from the donor vehicle grafted on to your old loom.
If you're going to use an aftermarket ECU then buy a wiring loom from the same company.
Most ECU manufacturers can supply looms.
The new loom covers things like wires to the injectors, sensors, tacho, ignition.
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